Stereo Tool

OK, makes more sense now. Thanks.

When people hear a loud radio station they tend to listen to that station when they are tuning for one. And skip the softer ones because they might think they are not received as good.

Good idea, but don't forget to send the record company's a mail also.

Yes this will be a long mailinglist

It's for listening to music, from a non-broadcasting perspective.

In case it has not become painfully obvious what my point is...

-------> You folks that are broadcasters are driving some issues that are important to you, but cascade down on the rest of us! <------

It happened with the hole-punching stuff once already. That is something that not a single one of us as non-broadcasters really needed. Fortunately, that code ended up being able to be toggled on/off, but I'm wondering that if some of us hadn't started going "uhhh, what are you all talking about????", it might not have been.



The whole "till your ears bleed" is all well and good and stuff, but as someone else stated, the loudness wars "are" (should be) OVER. The whole point behind BS-412 is to keep the power down. The whole point behind BS-1770 is for standardized measurement of loudness... Or is that 128? I don't know. Most of this stuff is Europe-centric, which is what baffles me about all this, because I know Bojcha is in Europe, and I thought you were too (???)

My opinion remains that you all are making Hans chase something that could easily be rectified by toning down the settings. I think it is unreasonable to expect "volume control to 11" settings that are clear as a bell. That does not happen. As you drive a signal through to off-the-chart RMS levels, IT IS GOING TO DISTORT. That is a fundamental FACT. It is as much a fact as is 9.81 m/s^2 as the acceleration constant for 1 g.

There are only a few countries in Europe as far as i know that use BS-412. Here in the Netherlands most of the big stations are very loud with lots of distortions.
And if we don't hear certain things with other processors at same loudness levels it must be possible to achieve that. But i agree with you that not all these options are for all users. In the end Hans has to choose for himself where he's going to work on and what will benefit his business. And sometimes one investigation leads to another discovery where also all other users benefit from.

EBU R 128.

As for the 1-minute thing, their gate was significantly higher.

Bass AGC comments -
Nope. I listened to diff. What I hear is it is continuously working. That's what it really means when you press DIFF. You are hearing what is being REMOVED. It is constantly removing a lot of stuff across the entire frequency spectrum, and then removing even more on the loud spikes.
:sigh:

At least in the past, these voice vibrations were almost as bad (and sometimes even worse) at low Loudness levels. Not sure if that's still the case. Anyway, in the end, everyone benefits from fixes (even if a single fix has very little effect on the audio, if you go back a few versions you'll hear what I mean).

Although I guess the new multiband compressor will probably have much more effect.

For that I need to re-implement the GUI and parameter interface, and I want to release the current beta first.

If I might ask, what settings do you use? Not a broadcaster myself either, just want to get rid of that compressed sound that is on all CD's nowadays.

Perhaps, but I think existing settings could be changed to clean things up, it's just the documentation of what the settings do is, well, a bit sparse. I was not able to get close to the sound I wanted because I was just using the AGC settings that everyone else was using, because I made the incorrect assumption that those settings were good settings. Ultimately, due to lack of documentation, I think the old settings of like 300% for band 2 or whatever just ended up not making any difference as the bands pretty much get linked.

Anyway, I cannot help test this. All I can do is suggest that what is being heard is simply overdriven bass, and the vocal is actually fine. There is vibrato in the vocal itself, in the track, as it was sung / recorded. The higher volume level makes it stand out more, but it is a component of the recording, and would be present on the master. Since this is the case, it is not completely a StereoTool issue, and may not even be partially an issue. I'll have to leave that up to Hans to check with a transmitter, but bearing in mind that the vocalist is actually singing WITH some vibrato, so it is in the recording that way.