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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.00
PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:38 am 
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beta31: Still all good! Even with maximized window!

- I notice when Opening and starting program is a bit slower, minimizing to tray slower too. but it's ok.
- When i change Soundcards samples it should ask me to restart program or somehow to deal with it. Currently it hangs. Moving buffer size or bypass ON/OFF, resolves it.
- Bypass is not good again
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1. Odd. Could that be caused by a higher priority setting? If you set it to Normal, does this still happen?
2. Ok... I cannot test it here because the Juli@ doesn't have this window. But I know that I should get a message in my program, and if I do I guess I should set my restart_needed flag. Will add that tomorrow.
3. Ok, will check.
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The Sound:
Should i test with Standalone or DSP?
Whatever you like... They _SHOULD_ be identical (but maybe they are not). But whatever you're used to/know best.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.00
PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:46 am 
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6.01 with modded visual interface.

http://www.multiupload.com/XM5A8SUH5N

Waiting the feedback.

Enjoy. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.00
PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:34 am 

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This has been happening for a while now...possibly as far back as 5.02...so I will try, but I tend to doubt it...
Which version are you using? Stand alone, VST, DSP, Linux? And how long does it hang? Does audio keep playing though it? (apparently yes, if you still see the bass bars moving)

I did notice today a few times that the stand alone version locked up during closing - but that seems to be a stand-alone version specific issue. (Added to todo list)
It still happens with this new version. DSP. It is generally when there is another large CPU load happening. What I don't know is if that is any large CPU load or specifically Adobe Flash content.

I'll see if it matters, probably tomorrow...


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.00
PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:23 am 
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Is this:
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2966
a bug or only unavoidable ?


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.00
PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:34 pm 

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Testing some more with version 31. Buffer of 5000 ms i get no clicks. When clicking restart and then moving the task manager i get clicks. The first core is then higher than the second.

Then i changed it to 2.7ms. Restarted stereotool and i get no clicks. When clicking restart again and then moving the taskbar i get clicks. But then the second core is higher than the first.

Restarted stereotool again with 2.7 ms hit the restart button again. Disabled the virusscanner then minimized stereotool and re-enabled the virusscanner. (Because otherwise i still get the same gray planes). Moved the task manager around and i still get clicks.

So the problem only exists right now when i change the buffer by 0,1 ms. Or after i press the restart button.

I don't get a warning when i select Real-time in stereotool. And i see it's now saved as well. When checking with task manager it's also real-time. When set to High there are still clicks. I think this option can be removed and keep only normal and real-time.

Checked the DPC latency again and i see no differences in the DPC latency before or after pressing restart. One time i get clicks the other time no clicks, the DPC latency looks the same both times.

I also checked the difference when shutting down stereotool with virusscanner on or off. When it's on it takes a few seconds, about 5 or so. When virusscanner is off it's immediately closed.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.00
PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:29 pm 
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Testing some more with version 31. Buffer of 5000 ms i get no clicks. When clicking restart and then moving the task manager i get clicks. The first core is then higher than the second.

Then i changed it to 2.7ms. Restarted stereotool and i get no clicks. When clicking restart again and then moving the taskbar i get clicks. But then the second core is higher than the first.
So, it doesn't matter whether you set the buffer size to 2.7 ms or 5000 ms, the clicks are always the same now?

If so, could you try what happens at buffer size 5000, priority set to NORMAL?

Reason:
There are 2 places where clicking can occur:
- The ASIO thread.
This is related to the ASIO buffer size set in the sound card driver ("Configure ASIO" button) - increasing it might fix it!
This does not change if you change the ASIO buffer size.

- The Stereo Tool processing thread.
This is related to the buffer size set in Stereo Tool, and to priority settings.


If for some reason the ASIO thread is ran at a lower priority than the Stereo Tool thread, that might explain why you get clicking in the ASIO thread. Setting the ST priority to Normal should avoid that, but then you'll get clicking from the ST processing thread - buffer size to 5000 fixes that. If this helps I can add an intermediate priority for the ASIO thread. (If it helps, could you also check what happens at High priority setting instead of Real-time?)
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So the problem only exists right now when i change the buffer by 0,1 ms. Or after i press the restart button.
Changing the buffer size also performs a restart. So that makes sense...

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I think this option can be removed and keep only normal and real-time
Real-time can do very annoying things, especially on single core systems. So I'll keep both options.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.00
PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:40 pm 
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bojcha: I *think* the 'strange sound in bass boost' at latency 512 is solved - I've been unable to reproduce it since BETA030. If you still get it, please let me know...
Not present anymore. (512)
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bojcha: You had some doubts in one of the earliest 601-BETA's about the new Punch behavior, and I moved a step further since that. Should I attempt to let Punch sound as much as before as possible as long as it doesn't introduce distortion? This is at all latencies (so also 4096).
Punch was always strange for me. Erlier was on whole band, then when it's switched to bass-only, it was worse.
I have some idea what sholud be done there but i am not sure what will actually happen.
I 'think' that it need to be somewhere in the middle. So,
looking from 30Hz to 16kHz it need to be strongest to 30Hz and almost no effective to 16kHz. Something like 'default' MB 'softlimit' curve.
Another thing, i think that from always Loudness kills good part of punch. It's ok if 'punch' filter recover the original 'killed' punch. But that's not case. Example, N-Dubz - Best Behaviour.
Currently, punch is a bit softer then in v6.00.

bass artifacts: (512) It's ok for me. But 'steepness' no more then 30%.

I am makeing some preset for 512 (for DSP), I'll upload it soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.00
PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:43 pm 
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Currently, punch is a bit softer then in v6.00.
That's what I meant, I think I can restore the original Punch behavior while keeping distortion protection. The question was: Which punch is better, that of 6.00 or the current (if you ignore the distortion)? From your answer I guess 6.00 was better? Or is the current Punch just as good if you increase Punch levels?
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I am makeing some preset for 512 (for DSP), I'll upload it soon.
Great :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.00
PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:52 pm 
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Here it is, just to see what all you think. used ST DSP. I don't know how it'll be for FM, still need to test.
there a bit louder highs but i'll see is it needed that much. Preset is not 'loud', byt should have very good dynamic.
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What you think?


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.00
PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:55 pm 
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When looking into the wrong Bypass sound, I found a bug that might explain the difference between single or multicore processing. Working on a fix now.


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