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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:29 am 

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I just processed it here, with the clipper drive reduced by 10 dB so we only hear the compressor. Can you check my recording?
Here I don't hear that up and down that much like in my previous test.
Do you hear it at all though? If so, where? Because I really don't.
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But I am getting that right: Every old preset can't be used with the new adaptive mode and has to be adjusted?
This new thing works completely differently. You can use your existing band structure etc, but the attack/release and all such settings behave completely different, and you'll likely have to adjust the thresholds a lot as well. Just switching to the new mode could accidentally work, but it can also be completely wrong.

It's also a compressor. And it also uses multiple bands. Those are about all the simularities.
Not an expert, but yeah this time I didn't hear differences.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:39 am 
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I might try and record some nicely processed stations around here, upload a link, and describe what qualities I like and dislike about the sounds of each stations in the recordings and see if others agree with me as well in hopes this helps Hans better pinpoint exactly what people do and don't like hearing and potentially solve these sound issues for good rather than having to keep fixing them constantly after the final product is released.
I do have lots of station recordings from my SDR. I can share a LOT.
Example of Hip hop: https://youtu.be/Id1uJu2qi8g
(Ignore the desktop with lots of icons... VERY OLD recording).
I've been hesitant to share stuff like that due to the "every audio processor is different" and Yes, we aren't looking for the exact sound of every "iHeartRadio station" but a less "wimpy"
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I believe Hans will figure it out. He is a very smart individual. It's still early and still being developed, so I'm sure he will find a way to make this work and sound amazing and get it to surpass every other audio processor that's currently out on the market.
I agree as well. Though, yeah I don't wanna pressure him too much...


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:25 am 
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BETA101 is posted! Biggest change is that the sudden drop behavior is completely different; the old behavior responded with a delay and could then seem to suddenly increase the level. The new behavior responds quickly at the start and then fades out.

For those complaining about a "wimpy" sound specifically on FM: Please try if what you hear disappears if you disable "Advanced Bass Distortion Protection". That will make the whole sound a lot more punchy. With the old compressor, there wasn't enough control of the bass to run without this - well you can, but it causes a lot of intermodulation distotion - the bass causes havoc in the mids and highs. I haven't tried, but the new compressor has much better control of the levels, so it might be possible to disable it if you carefully tweak the Intellilimiter. I'm planning to have another look at the clipper later - we first need to finish the new compressor.

But please confirm if this is what you're hearing. If you turn Advanced Bass Distortion Protection off, is the "wimpy" sound gone? If so I know what I need to look at. ABDP is definitely in need of a redesign, so I hope this is it.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:32 pm 
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For those complaining about a "wimpy" sound specifically on FM: Please try if what you hear disappears if you disable "Advanced Bass Distortion Protection".
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But please confirm if this is what you're hearing. If you turn Advanced Bass Distortion Protection off, is the "wimpy" sound gone? If so I know what I need to look at. ABDP is definitely in need of a redesign, so I hope this is it.
Interesting. Where would I find this? Is it FM only? The description makes me think of the Bass Intermodulation Distortion Protection in the advanced clipper; is this it? I remember when this was introduced. The random bass knocking would wake me up without it.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:19 pm 
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The new MB (Adaptive) has broken feature. Peak mode(Detection panel), it brokes the levels and lead to bad audio. Something is not OK there.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:20 pm 
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For those complaining about a "wimpy" sound specifically on FM: Please try if what you hear disappears if you disable "Advanced Bass Distortion Protection".
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But please confirm if this is what you're hearing. If you turn Advanced Bass Distortion Protection off, is the "wimpy" sound gone? If so I know what I need to look at. ABDP is definitely in need of a redesign, so I hope this is it.
Interesting. Where would I find this? Is it FM only? The description makes me think of the Bass Intermodulation Distortion Protection in the advanced clipper; is this it? I remember when this was introduced. The random bass knocking would wake me up without it.
Yes, that's it. Without it, there used to be a lot of IMD. But it might not be needed so much anymore now. It most definitely affects the punchiness of the sound.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:38 pm 
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Gotcha. ABDP is referenced elsewhere in the UI instead of BIMDP (clipper pre-limiter for example). I don't know which I like more, but the "intermodulation distortion" term is more descriptive. Regardless, these references should probably be named the same as the module feature. Gonna run this for a while with the protection off and see how it goes. I no longer use the Buttkickers (haptic bass transducers attached to my chair) so I don't know how loud it would be now anyway if it did happen.

However, I do notice the bass being much richer with it off! I will have to reduce some other bass settings based on this new clarity.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:26 am 
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Best i can, with missing small tunings here and there.
Many strange things, some even bugged, but most obvious one, as i said, is how it decides do fasten my releases on it's own in some cases for no reason no metter how slow i put them. I just cant trust it what will it do with my next track.
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It's around -10/-11 lufs (with this MB you never know) - beta101/ Q150%/Sane max/ 4096

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I apparently used wrong crossovers, also by my mistake i used "flat tops" wich are bad for limiters (1st band especially). Just maded new crossover. will update.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:26 am 
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BETA101 is posted! Biggest change is that the sudden drop behavior is completely different; the old behavior responded with a delay and could then seem to suddenly increase the level. The new behavior responds quickly at the start and then fades out.

For those complaining about a "wimpy" sound specifically on FM: Please try if what you hear disappears if you disable "Advanced Bass Distortion Protection". That will make the whole sound a lot more punchy. With the old compressor, there wasn't enough control of the bass to run without this - well you can, but it causes a lot of intermodulation distotion - the bass causes havoc in the mids and highs. I haven't tried, but the new compressor has much better control of the levels, so it might be possible to disable it if you carefully tweak the Intellilimiter. I'm planning to have another look at the clipper later - we first need to finish the new compressor.
I was talking about non-FM personality. Am not sure about other peoples.

If I have Intellilimiter on 6db (because I cannot go lower) and a 2-millisecond attack, the bass will output super high to the rest of the chain which results in it sounding terrible with "advanced bass distortion protection off".

I found that switching to a preset changes the action of the multiband compressor. It also afterward doesn't allow me to change the "compressor type"

My head hurts. My ears are broken. is there a thing like an audiologist for compression?

It sounds pushed down and not open like in the water. ;(

Look here is my preset. What is wrong with it


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:52 am 
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BETA101 is posted! Biggest change is that the sudden drop behavior is completely different; the old behavior responded with a delay and could then seem to suddenly increase the level. The new behavior responds quickly at the start and then fades out.

For those complaining about a "wimpy" sound specifically on FM: Please try if what you hear disappears if you disable "Advanced Bass Distortion Protection". That will make the whole sound a lot more punchy. With the old compressor, there wasn't enough control of the bass to run without this - well you can, but it causes a lot of intermodulation distotion - the bass causes havoc in the mids and highs. I haven't tried, but the new compressor has much better control of the levels, so it might be possible to disable it if you carefully tweak the Intellilimiter. I'm planning to have another look at the clipper later - we first need to finish the new compressor.
I was talking about non-FM personality. Am not sure about other peoples.

If I have Intellilimiter on 6db (because I cannot go lower) and a 2-millisecond attack, the bass will output super high to the clipper which results in it sounding terrible with "advanced bass distortion protection off".

I found that switching to a preset changes the action of the multiband compressor. It also afterwards doesn't allow me to change the "compressor type"

My head hurts. My ears are broken. is there a thing like an audiologist for compression?

It just sounds terrible. It almost pushed down in the water and crackly. ;(

Look here is my preset. What is wrong with it
Apparently your CPU is BAD.
Just kidding, ofc not.
What happens when you load my preset? I also seems to have BAD cpu, so we are matched. Load only repair and processing.

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