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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:57 pm 

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@Hans I've did a test with your assymetric filtering from the calibrate menu. I'm testing now with audio until 18,5 kHz wich sounds awesome on FM without problems with the RDS. I think it's a must have before you upload your test file from the processing day.
Hmm, i do see the overshoot problem you were talking about. If you could fix that it's perfect.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:08 pm 
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what assymetric filtering from the calibrate menu ?


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:25 pm 

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Selecting Similar, but only using 23-38 KHz stereo signal.

What Leaf does is allowing highs until 17,5 kHz so you get 38-17,5 = 20,5 kHz. So plenty of protection for the pilot tone. But when you don't do asymetric filtering you also get 38+17,5 = 55,5 kHz which get's in the way of the RDS signal. So what he does is filtering on 20,5 kHz on one side and at 38+16=54 kHz on the oder side. But you could also filter everything from 38 kHz upward.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:43 pm 
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I know what you talking about, but i don't know how you done that in ST [?]


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:55 pm 

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Selecting Similar, but only using 23-38 KHz stereo signal.

What Leaf does is allowing highs until 17,5 kHz so you get 38-17,5 = 20,5 kHz. So plenty of protection for the pilot tone. But when you don't do asymetric filtering you also get 38+17,5 = 55,5 kHz which get's in the way of the RDS signal. So what he does is filtering on 20,5 kHz on one side and at 38+16=54 kHz on the oder side. But you could also filter everything from 38 kHz upward.

To be honest I don't understand the need for that.
It looks nice on a spectrum analyzer but adds nothing for 99.9% of the users. Have you seen what kind of filtering you have in a FM-tuner?
If you set the filter to 15.5KHz it is more than sufficient.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:01 pm 

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I can clearly hear the difference between 16 kHz filtering or higher with my Sony ST-SB920 tuner.
I think there are a lot more tuners where you can hear this difference. But yes it depends on the filtering used in the tuners.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:42 pm 

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I can clearly hear the difference between 16 kHz filtering or higher with my Sony ST-SB920 tuner.
I think there are a lot more tuners where you can hear this difference. But yes it depends on the filtering used in the tuners.
You must still have really good hearing. When I see the spec from your tuner ST-SB920 30Hz-15KHz (+0.3/-0.7dB) not to bad at all. Maybe you can do a sweep and see what is left at 16 and 17KHz.
I have a modified st-sa5es and I can't hear the difference anymore if I shift from 15.5 to 17KHz :-(


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:50 am 

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This is measured from the audio output from the tuner. I did a sweep from 30 Hz till 20 kHz and used a LPF of 16 KHz and one of 18,5 KHz in stereo tool.
It's about 10 dB's down at 17,5 KHz and 15 dB at 18 kHz compared too the flat line.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:58 am 

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@Hans - HPF "Order" is not being saved in the DSP version. It apparently defaults to 6. No entry in the STS files for it.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:52 am 
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@Brian: I know, I was waiting for feedback to see if this feature is useful first.

@eldoradofm: I'm wondering if Leif's idea really works. Somehow, an FM receiver needs to filter out the RDS signal (which is very close to the stereo signal). Now the question is: Do receivers filter out frequencies above approx. 54.5 kHz before stereo decoding, or do they first decode the stereo and then remove the sounds above approx. 17.5 kHz (54.5-38)?

If the latter is the case, this feature is useless...


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