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Author:  Studio 11 [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:02 am ]
Post subject:  StereoTool ASIO and Direct Wire
Hi,

Since i do not get many comments on the Dutch version of this forum, here is my question again.

First, sorry for my bad English. ;)

I have an Intel Quad-Core 3,1 Ghz Win 7 Ultimate PC for streaming music.

The setup is as following:

Juli@ ASIO Input @192 Khz, (From Mixer)
Stereo Tool, (Magic)
StereoTool Normal Output > VAC Input @ 44,1 Khz,
VAC Output @ 44,1 Khz > SimpleCast Input, (Stream Encoder)

StereoTool Low Latency Output ASIO > Juli@ Output 3 & 4. (Studio Monitoring)

Now, this works fine so far.
For fine-tuning and just for listening, i set the normal output to ASIO 3 & 4 and switch off the Low Latency output.
Then the sound in the studio is very nice.

But when i listen to the STREAM on my Harman/Kardon 5.1 sound system(FYI) at home, i cannot say i hear the same sound as in the studio.

Clearly, H/K normally should sound better then my wonderfull 2.1 PC speaker set in the studio...
But still, in the studio, the stereo effect is fantastic and the sound is so clear and punchy, just awesome.
Also, on the other side of the studio, there's an 5.1 set to that sounds very nice to

Then i find myself in my home, listening to the stream... Very low stereo effect, a flat sound, just not the same as in the studio...

Is it possible that VAC does something with the signal that decreases the quality of the sound?
Or maybe SimpleCast? We are streaming MP3 @ 160 Kbps and all the settings in SimpleCast are High Quality.

VAC on the other hand, not.
It's input is 44,1 Khz and so is it's output.

I have read a post of Bochja that the sample rate of VAC should be set to 192000 - 192000 and some other settings should be different as well...

Problem 1:
If i want to change settings, a notice shows that processes are running and i can't change the settings.
I've tried shutting down ST and Juli@ and some drivers as well, butt VAC won't let me change anything.

Anyone knows how to do this?

Problem 2:
With Juli@ come's DirectWire.
Is this the same as VAC?
Can i patch the output of stereotool to SimpleCast with DirectWire?
If yes, can i also at the same time, patch the same output to Juli@ Output?

I hope that anyone can make something out of this post and give me an answer,
for more information just reply and i will tell you everything. (Related to this post obviously)

Thanks in advance.

Greetings, Studio 11
Author:  hvz [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StereoTool ASIO and Direct Wire
A few short remarks/answers.

1. For streaming it's not useful at all to work at 192 kHz. It shouldn't hurt either unless VAC or Windows downsamples it. I would set it to either 44.1 or 48 kHz. It will be downsampled before MP3 encoding anyway.

2. DirectWire is similar to VAC and it actually works better (because the timing and sample rate are tied to the Juli@ card). Basically, you can connect the outputs where the signal is going out to inputs, and then select those inputs in your streaming application. That way you will both hear the audio and it gets streamed.

What you are describing seems to indicate that SimpleCast is receiving the unprocessed audio - but based on your description I don't see how that would be possible.
Author:  Bojcha [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StereoTool ASIO and Direct Wire
Quote:
I have read a post of Bochja that the sample rate of VAC should be set to 192000 - 192000 and some other settings should be different as well...
I said that for when you need 192kHz output for mpx.

As Hans said you need 44.1kHz in ST and Simplecast. Also check windows >controlpanel>sounds for juli@ is at 44.1 and check is same in Juli@'s mixer.

Usually in our studio for monitor i strictly use non-processed output. Only processed channel is microphone with it's separate hardware processing. So to make easier for you i recommend you same.

For ST standalone (normal output) you need VAC and in simplecast you need same vac - so nothing to patch there.
Author:  Studio 11 [ Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: StereoTool ASIO and Direct Wire
Ok, it's clear to me now,

I have set ST to 44,1 Khz Sample rate.
By "patch", i meant the "wires" in Directwire.

But it's ok now,
i think i had something wrong but it sounds good now.

I still don't know how to setup DirectWire.

Clearly i do something wrong, because i don't see Directwire in Simplecast.
Author:  hvz [ Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: StereoTool ASIO and Direct Wire
Click on the ESI icon in the windows tray. The thing that pops up has directwire as a menu item. You won't see it anywhere else.
Author:  Studio 11 [ Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: StereoTool ASIO and Direct Wire
I already have direct wire on my screen...

I don't know were to put the cables.
Asio 3 & 4 should connect to ???? to get the signal on Simplecast?

I am listening right now to Normal Output with ASIO Override 3 & 4.
Now i need that exact same signal routed by directwire to simplecast as well.

Hans, ff in het nederlands want ik word gek dat ik mezelf niet goed kan uiten in het engels...

Ik luister nu naar de normale output van stereotool.
Die output heeft ASIO 3 & 4 als uitgang.
Daarop zit mn versterker hier voor geluid in de studio...

Nu wil ik graag dat directwire ditzelfde signaal oppikt, en op mijn simplecast zet.

Nu wil ik een kabeltje trekken van ASIO Out 3 en 4 naar MME in 1 & 2.
Dat lukt me wel, maar in simplecast kan ik m dan niet selecteren.

Doe ik t nu verkeerd dan?
Want ik zie in het lijstje bij Simplecast wel de VAC staan en Juli@ Lijn en Stereo-Mix enzo.

Ik snap er geen jota meer van.
Author:  hvz [ Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: StereoTool ASIO and Direct Wire
In Simplecast selecteer je gewoon de inputs 1 en 2 van de geluidskaart; als Simplecast dan via MME communiceert (ik weet niet of dat zo is) krijg je de data die naar 3+4 gestuurd is ook daarop binnen.
Author:  Studio 11 [ Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: StereoTool ASIO and Direct Wire
Ik ga dat eens even proberen, bedankt voor de uitleg hans.
Author:  Studio 11 [ Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: StereoTool ASIO and Direct Wire
Hallo, ik laat nog ff weten hoe het gegaan is...

Ik denk dat simplecast te oud is voor dit soort geintjes.

Ik kon nergens Input 1 & 2 selecteren in Simplecast.
Maar inmiddels heb ik het ff anders opgelost.

Niet erg netjes maar omdat ik zoals gezegd graag het geluid hoor van StereoTool op mijn monitors, heb ik de Normal Output op de stream staan en FM Output (zonder Pre-emphasize of Stereo/RDS natuurlijk)
op mijn monitoren staan, Dit klinkt best goed! :P

Kan niet wachten tot er ooit een hardware versie van ST komt... :)

Bedankt voor je reactie hans.
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