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Author:  JesseG [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:09 pm ]
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Event Based Sampling having a :!: Caution that it may not provide 100% reliable information depending on certain circumstances
Event timing in windows is HORRIBLE, period, because it uses a queue and most things that are queued don't care at all about maintaining any consistency in (or in many cases even minimizing) the delay they add.

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I don't do FM broadcasting, so "the listeners" = me. I read the part about Clean/Punch, and if that is correct, then long-term the situation would be better as far as Loudness
Ahh, so the actual signal level wouldn't matter at all then. So, is the output of Stereo Tool without "Loudness" not providing a consistent subjective loudness between tracks? Or you like how it sounds with much of the peaks/detail removed? Or some other technical reason you are required to peak limit? Or some other reason?
Author:  camclone [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
on stereotool :
mpx clipper at 100 % is disabled
mpx clipper at 103,9 % is enabled and working fine ( my suggested clean value)


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Author:  Brian [ Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
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I don't do FM broadcasting, so "the listeners" = me. I read the part about Clean/Punch, and if that is correct, then long-term the situation would be better as far as Loudness
Ahh, so the actual signal level wouldn't matter at all then. So, is the output of Stereo Tool without "Loudness" not providing a consistent subjective loudness between tracks? Or you like how it sounds with much of the peaks/detail removed? Or some other technical reason you are required to peak limit? Or some other reason?
I was responding to your comment about how Loudness was behaving as a limiter (Hans said Compressor, but whatever)...

I'll try changing things up and going without Loudness. Bear in mind that unlike most, my settings in MB are for compression, not limiting. You might listen to the preset I made (Supersonic). It's similar to stuff that Bojcha does, but with the latest changes I made, I'm getting more sustain in the low-end for rap/hip-hop/rnb and crisper percussion overall...

I only post the presets because I guess I fancy myself somewhat decent at this. I might actually suck horribly though... Singing in the shower effect, or something like that... :oops:
Author:  JesseG [ Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
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Bear in mind that unlike most, my settings in MB are for compression, not limiting.
The preset I'm working on is 100% compression, because it's more consistent. :)

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You might listen to the preset I made (Supersonic). It's similar to stuff that Bojcha does, but with the latest changes I made, I'm getting more sustain in the low-end for rap/hip-hop/rnb and crisper percussion overall...

I only post the presets because I guess I fancy myself somewhat decent at this. I might actually suck horribly though... Singing in the shower effect, or something like that... :oops:
I'll have to hunt that down then. :)
Author:  Bojcha [ Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
@ Brian..
I listened your preset and it's good .. maybe too much highs for my taste and just a bit lack of lows (probably just better eq boost) ...sound open, but in same time you busted mids and mid-lows ..can be fixed...But...

Facts are that you are only listener and you have no cpu power... i recommend you to NOT use Loudness filter but Final Limiter!
Reasons:
- You don't need to compete with anyone in loudness war,
- From first one, Louder will NEVER be better quality! in ANY processor!
- Final Limiter have, about 5 times, more quality! but of course less loud
- Final Limiter is Limiter (You need limiter, you already have compressor/s in MB, since Loudness have some compressing component)
- Less cpu usage .. etc

When you make preset .. watch that you have as much as possible constant sound from all filters independent. Mains are, AGC, MB and Limiter. So, all together (with small and gentle tweaks) should still bring very constant sound.
Author:  michi95 [ Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:55 am ]
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The preset I'm working on is 100% compression, because it's more consistent. :)
I'm desperately waiting for this.
I hope it happens before the release of new Breakaway with Passive Aggressor preset and before we (all members living in countries of the European Union) get our money back from camclone's Greece ! :lol:

Consistency !?
Anybody tried my IO 2.3.16K preset ?
I know I am using very strange (sick ?) settings for AGC (-12 dB RMS) and an extreme combination of Noise Gate and perverse Multiband plus Loudness at x1.01 (as a little joke).
But for me it is the most consistent preset (especially playing music from 1950 - 2011).

Any thoughts ?
Author:  Brian [ Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:09 am ]
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@ Brian..
I listened your preset and it's good .. maybe too much highs for my taste and just a bit lack of lows (probably just better eq boost) ...sound open, but in same time you busted mids and mid-lows ..can be fixed...But...
Edit: BTW, you haven't listened to the latest version, as nobody has downloaded it yet. Unless you grabbed the test version, then you don't have the primary bass enhancements. I made a further change after the test version, with increased up speed in the 170 and 580Hz bands, so that would also address mid-low/low-mid.
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Facts are that you are only listener and you have no cpu power... i recommend you to NOT use Loudness filter but Final Limiter!
Reasons:
- You don't need to compete with anyone in loudness war,
- From first one, Louder will NEVER be better quality! in ANY processor!
- Final Limiter have, about 5 times, more quality! but of course less loud
- Final Limiter is Limiter (You need limiter, you already have compressor/s in MB, since Loudness have some compressing component)
- Less cpu usage .. etc
Hans suggested otherwise some time ago, or at least I thought he did, stating that the Final Limiter could not handle something-something-blah-blah. Yeah, I kinda glazed over. Prior to what was mentioned just a couple of days ago, I did not know that loudness was introducing additional compression.

As I've said elsewhere, I've had quite a past few months, and a very stressful past 10 days. This, as well as a few other things, is helping pass the time, although when you feel like you're constantly sick to your stomach, all you want to do is crawl in bed... :(
Author:  hvz [ Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:48 am ]
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Final Limiter cannot handle loud sounds. Due to this, Loudness should almost always sound better when you're aiming at the same (loud) output level. But, if you don't need loud output, and only need to get rid of some spikes that remain after the rest of the processing, there's really no need to use Loudness and you can use Final Limiter instead - all the 'Generic preset' presets do this too. The CPU load is a lot lower. Just make sure not to send in the audio at a too high level.

I hope to be able to get rid of the big difference between the two when I redesign the clipper.

@Brian: Hope you get well soon!
Author:  Brian [ Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:43 pm ]
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Final Limiter cannot handle loud sounds. Due to this, Loudness should almost always sound better when you're aiming at the same (loud) output level. But, if you don't need loud output, and only need to get rid of some spikes that remain after the rest of the processing, there's really no need to use Loudness and you can use Final Limiter instead - all the 'Generic preset' presets do this too. The CPU load is a lot lower. Just make sure not to send in the audio at a too high level.

I hope to be able to get rid of the big difference between the two when I redesign the clipper.
For now, it sounds better to me with loudness, but I haven't tried changing AGC and MB to try to get a similar sound yet. I might do that whenever you can get ND less demanding.
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@Brian: Hope you get well soon!
Thanks... It will be a long time though... It's physical stuff being driven by emotional...
Author:  eldoradofm [ Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:20 pm ]
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@Brian: I wish you strength to come to terms with your loss.
@Hans: With techno music i get very strange effects with the de-clipper enabled. Mostly because the clipped part is intentionally. Do you think this can be fixed, or is it best to just turn de-clipper off when playing techno or similar intentionally distorted songs?
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