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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:14 am 
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That's strange. Punch is there to restore Punch that's lost due to Loudness. At lower Loudness settings that problem should be much less there - it's loud spikes that get reduced the most, and that's what Punch tries to restore.
Woops. Ok... So in version 6.10, I increased the Punch start value further and further until I heard no more artifacts from it. Well, turns out that that was because the level was higher than 99% of the audio that comes in :oops: .

Instead I'll now make a version where the amount of artifacts is predicted (based on the amount of bass), and which also takes into account whether these artifacts are masked by other sounds (higher frequencies). For higher latency settings, this should behave very close to 6.00 (except when there are no high frequencies present, in which case Punch is useless anyway); for lower latency settings the behavior gets closer to that of 6.10.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:23 am 
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ok we'll see..
btw.. bug for MB, other then default freq. when used, bands not loaded always. (some trigger needed to make freq bands working as should)
I am asking, because i have one interesting preset, where bands are slightly changed.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:19 am 
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Loudness Punch: Now similar to version 6.00, except when loud bass sounds are present (which cause artifacts) and there are no highs that can mask them.
- Just replaced BETA620-009 by a new version where loading presets with changed multiband frequencies should work.

Winamp DSP plugin: http://www.stereotool.com/download/dsp_ ... 20-009.exe
Stand alone version: http://www.stereotool.com/download/ster ... 20-009.exe
VST version: http://www.stereotool.com/download/vst_ ... 20-009.dll
VST version (No SSE2): http://www.stereotool.com/download/vst_ ... 20-009.dll
Command line version: http://www.stereotool.com/download/ster ... 20-009.exe
Linux command line version: http://www.stereotool.com/download/ster ... ETA620-009 NOT AVAILABLE
Linux GUI version: http://www.stereotool.com/download/ster ... ETA620-009 NOT AVAILABLE

TODO:
- Fix loading changed multiband frequencies
- Add buffer and filter for SCA output 1 day (SCA1 ok, SCA2 not yet)
- Finish AGC improvement ? - make mono value configurable (replace checkbox by slider) 1 hour --> NO, not needed - anything else needed?
- Fix Punch making it dynamic will cost 1 day
- Check what to do with new filters (such as bass AGC) - keep them, remove them, change them?
- Loudness: Annoying cracking sound in bass. Slightly present in 5.00, worse in 6.00, maybe even worse in 6.10. Only when bass is too loud. Much worse than in Final Limiter (at same input level!) - so this clearly indicates a bug. Most likely cause: The filter that was added to remove bass artifacts....... :shock:
- Change version number 1 hour
- Release 1 hour


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:21 pm 
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btw.. bug for MB, other then default freq. when used, bands not loaded always. (some trigger needed to make freq bands working as should)
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- Just replaced BETA620-009 by a new version where loading presets with changed multiband frequencies should work.
Why now :?:
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Changing Center Frequencies in sts file DOES NOT change the center frequencies of the bands contrary to the initial opinion I had.
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:00 am
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What it looks like is irrespective of what version(Standalone, VST, DSP) is being used, some triggering is needed. In case of Standalone, as Bojcha suggested, changing Sampling rate or restarting Soundcard Confg does the trick. Now, for VST and DSP versions, changing latencies does the job. So now center frequencies have changed precisely as per the sts confg.
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:17 pm
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Maybe it was my misunderstanding, but as far as I remember when you introduced this hidden option you said that the center frequencies could be changed via an edited STS file.

Anyway (especially for the VST version and its limited short INI file) it would be better to be triggered automatically with loading another STS file (for the MB GUI it already works - until now as a false positive indicator).
Better would be WYSIWYG.
This would give the additional opportunity to compare different center frequencies (or different numbers of bands) by loading STS files.
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:31 am

I don't criticize that this is fixed now.
I am only surprised, because it seems as if this problem was unknown.
I thought that this problem was known (by Hans) since phoenix' and my posts in the other topic.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:16 pm 
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It was known since those posts, I just forgot to put them on my todo list...


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:49 pm 
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I must ask agan, all, Does Highpass Filter should be BEFORE or AFTER MB ?


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:11 am 
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I must ask agan, all, Does Highpass Filter should be BEFORE or AFTER MB ?
My answer:
- Non phase linear: Before. Because I can only do it before or after ALL the processing, so there's no other choice...
- Phase linear: After. Because otherwise the few dB's that the bass is reduced will immediately be restored by Multiband. On top of that, filtering artifacts will be increased by Multiband.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:08 am 
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@ highpass: OK, that's case now and logical, but i just checked "others" and on all is 'before' mb.

@ Punch: it's good (better).


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:42 am 
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@ highpass: OK, that's case now and logical, but i just checked "others" and on all is 'before' mb.

@ Punch: it's good (better).
1 - I placed it at the start as well, but due to the artifacts and not very effective filtering I had to move it forward in the chain. First step would make sense (and not phase linear also works that way).

2. Great! Should be equal to 6.00 behavior for > 90% of the sounds - at maximum latency.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:05 pm 
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@ All (especially Hans and Bojcha)

Please, I need some feedback
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viewtopic.php?p=10196#p10196


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