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Stereo Tool 5.00
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Author:  hvz [ Thu May 20, 2010 7:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 5.00
Soundmanfm: Ok, yesterday I just performed some measurements and I though that my band 3 setting changes for band 3 were ok. But now I'm listening to it and I hear what you mean by vibrations - it's pretty bad.

Other question: The .STS file that you sent me, does that sound ok to you? And if so, in which version? (BETA or BETA2?)
Author:  hvz [ Thu May 20, 2010 7:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 5.00
Soundmanfm:

Since you're saying that the latest beta has worse highs than version 5.00, I've compared version 5.00 with the latest BETA (*NOT* BETA2!).

With AGC and Noise Gate turned OFF the two are 100% identical (Assuming no very wild settings in the first few multiband bands; there was a bug in version 5.00 if you did that).

The differences are:

* Noise Gate in BETA is a bit different because the lowest band is turned off. This has no effect on the highs (not even if all the filters are turned on), only a bit on the lows.

This cannot be what you're hearing (if anything, the bass will get slightly louder, no further effects).

* AGC (tested with 2 bands in both versions) output level and response speed is different

The FREQUENCY CONTENT is again completely identical (except maybe a difference between below 200 Hz and above 200 Hz, but that wouldn't explain excessive highs).

However, the changed (higher!) OUTPUT LEVEL might have a big impact on the sound: A higher output level increases the effect of Multiband (and all other filters coming after that) on the sound.


I've tried to measure the difference in output volume between versions 5.00 and the latest BETA, but I'm getting conflicting results. If I use 1 band, the BETA output is on average 2.5 dB softer in BETA, but if I use 2 it's louder. I'll try to figure out what's going on here, because this doesn't look good. (Still, it shouldn't affect the sound quality, or amount of highs, except by overdriving Multiband too much).


In short, for now, this means that by changing the level of 'target output level' in AGC, you can get (nearly) IDENTICAL output in BETA as in 5.00, both with 1 or 2 bands
Author:  hvz [ Fri May 21, 2010 1:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 5.00
Interesting notion about "S" sounds.

I've compared version 4.22 vs. 5.00 as follows:
- FM Loud Bass Boost preset of version 4.22, without Pre Limiter and Noise Gate
- Processed in both versions
- Then took the left channel of both versions, put one on the left channel, the other on the right
- Listened to the result on my headphones

For most of the sound, I didn't hear any difference. Except for loud S sounds! They were indeed (very slightly) better in version 4.22. So people who complained about this were right (although I must add that the difference is VERY small, even with A/B comparisons I cannot really hear the difference. I only notice something when I play both simultaneously on different channels.)

Then I compared the volume and frequency content. Version 5.00 is slightly softer than version 4.22 (0.1 dB, probably due to the improved Hard Limit quality). But... The highs were at the same level!

After doing some tests I found that with an 'Allow louder highs' value of -15000 (yes, minus!) the frequency content is identical, and I cannot hear differences anymore in the "S" sounds.


So I will lower the default level of this slider and allow negative values. I'm not really sure yet if this is really the perfect solution; I'll do some more tests to find out if there are any other differences that I missed.
Author:  SuperH [ Fri May 21, 2010 2:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 5.00
I started "playing" a bit. I love the behavior of the three band AGC. This allows for much tighter control of sibilance.
Author:  hvz [ Fri May 21, 2010 2:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 5.00
Quote:
I started "playing" a bit. I love the behavior of the three band AGC. This allows for much tighter control of sibilance.
Hi SuperH,

Are you working with BETA or BETA2? They behave very differently... (Actually I think BETA2 is pretty bad at the moment I'm getting all kind of weird effects if I set the up/down speed at higher levels. I think there must be a bug somewhere...)
Author:  Bojcha [ Fri May 21, 2010 2:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 5.00
i told you that we need negative value. :)
Author:  hvz [ Fri May 21, 2010 2:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 5.00
Quote:
i told you that we need negative value. :)
I know :-)
Author:  SuperH [ Fri May 21, 2010 2:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 5.00
Quote:
Quote:
I started "playing" a bit. I love the behavior of the three band AGC. This allows for much tighter control of sibilance.
Hi SuperH,

Are you working with BETA or BETA2? They behave very differently... (Actually I think BETA2 is pretty bad at the moment I'm getting all kind of weird effects if I set the up/down speed at higher levels. I think there must be a bug somewhere...)
Beta 2. I was reading what you posted about differences in level.

This is my current preset, and I'm pretty satisfied with the behavior of the AGC in this configuration:
Code:
[Common]
Pre amplifier=5.5
Post amplifier=0.949999988
Extra loudness=1
Extra loudness - Very deep bass relative clipping level=0
Extra loudness - Allow extra lows (advanced)=0
Extra loudness - Allow extra highs (advanced)=0
Extra loudness - Punchy=0.284999967
Extra loudness - Max Punch peak=0.75
Extra loudness - Deep bass protection - Enabled=0
Extra loudness - Deep bass protection - Difference=0
Extra loudness - Deep bass protection - Value=0.638750076
Extra loudness - Forcibly remove DC component caused by Loudness=0
Bass protection - Enabled=1
Bass protection - Two steps=0
Bass protection - Clip level=140
Bass protection - Deep bass boost=0
Bass protection - Raise clip level if highs get above=150
Bass protection - Maximum clip level raise=35
Hard limit output=1
[Noise Gate]
Enabled=1
Difference=0
Noise level=4.599999905
Relative noise gate level - Band 1=1
Relative noise gate level - Band 2=1
Relative noise gate level - Band 3=1
Relative noise gate level - Band 4=1.352941036
Relative noise gate level - Band 5=2.448275566
Relative noise gate level - Band 6=2.225806475
Relative noise gate level - Band 7=2.333333254
[Singleband Compressor]
Enabled=1
Difference=0
Maximum volume=4
Attack speed=0.000008712
Decay speed=0.001568314
Above Top Limiter=0.409999996
[Pre Compressor]
Enabled=1
Difference=220
Delay enabled=0
Maximum volume - Band 1=22500
Attack speed - Band 1=0.000007557
Attack speed - Band 3=0.000006174
Decay speed - Band 1=0.000314613
Decay speed - Band 3=0.000251468
Dual band=1
Third band=1
Relative expected volume of highs=0.399999976
Relative maximum volume of highs=1.199999928
Relative maximum volume of very highs=0.199999988
Remove remaining peaks above (relative to maximum volume)=5
Maximum expected dynamics strength for smoothing=1.449999928
Enable smoothing=1
Gating level=123201
[Multiband Compressor]
Enabled=1
Difference=0
Delay enabled=0
Maximum volume - Band -1=8000
Maximum volume - Band 0=7799.999511719
Maximum volume - Band 1=7460
Maximum volume - Band 2=7109.999511719
Maximum volume - Band 3=6440
Maximum volume - Band 4=5759.999511719
Maximum volume - Band 5=5200
Maximum volume - Band 6=4400
Maximum volume - Band 7=3399.999755859
Maximum volume - Band 8=3550
Attack speeds linked=1
Attack speed - Band -1=0.000002992
Attack speed - Band 0=0.000002992
Attack speed - Band 1=0.000002992
Attack speed - Band 2=0.000002992
Attack speed - Band 3=0.000002992
Attack speed - Band 4=0.000002992
Attack speed - Band 5=0.000002992
Attack speed - Band 6=0.000002992
Attack speed - Band 7=0.000002992
Attack speed - Band 8=0.000002992
Decay speeds linked=1
Decay speed - Band -1=0.0004578
Decay speed - Band 0=0.0004578
Decay speed - Band 1=0.0004578
Decay speed - Band 2=0.0004578
Decay speed - Band 3=0.0004578
Decay speed - Band 4=0.0004578
Decay speed - Band 5=0.0004578
Decay speed - Band 6=0.0004578
Decay speed - Band 7=0.0004578
Decay speed - Band 8=0.0004578
Above Top Limiter=0.5
Clipping enabled=1
Postprocessing enabled=1
Relative clip position - Band -1=-1
Relative clip position - Band 0=-1
Relative clip position - Band 1=-1
Relative clip position - Band 2=-1
Relative clip position - Band 3=-1
Relative clip position - Band 4=-1
Relative clip position - Band 5=0.600000024
Relative clip position - Band 6=0.754385829
Relative clip position - Band 7=0.550387621
Relative clip position - Band 8=0.801801801
Final limiter value=1
Final limiter decay speed=0.999000013
Final limiter clipping=20
Equalizer enabled=0
Equalize before multiband-compression=0
Equalizer position - Band -1=1
Equalizer position - Band 0=1
Equalizer position - Band 1=1
Equalizer position - Band 2=1
Equalizer position - Band 3=1
Equalizer position - Band 4=1
Equalizer position - Band 5=1
Equalizer position - Band 6=1
Equalizer position - Band 7=1
Equalizer position - Band 8=1
[Stereo]
Enabled=3
Stereo AZIMUTH Enabled=1
Stereo Image Enabled=0
Stereo Boost Enabled=1
Stereo Boost Excessive Reverb Protection Enabled=0
Delay enabled=0
Difference=0
Center bass=0
AZIMUTH limit=16
AZIMUTH change speed=0.099999994
Image phase amplifier=1
Image phase amplifier maximum angle=180
Image phase amplifier maximum separation strength=100
Image width amplifier=1
Extra phase shift=0
Mono or stereo only=0
Stereo Boost strength=5.009999752
Stereo Boost maximum amplification=0.75
Stereo Boost multiplier=0.949999988
Stereo Boost - Never reduce below original level=0
[Channel Delay]
Enabled=0
Left Delay=0
[Output Filter]
Enabled=0
Lowpass filter=15000
Highpass filter=25
Highpass filter linearity=Auto
[Bass Boost]
Enabled=0
Strength=1
Start lowpass frequency of input filter=0
End lowpass frequency of input filter=250
Start lowpass frequency of output filter=250
End lowpass frequency of output filter=350
Clip level=1.5
Clip level is relative to estimated maximum level=1
Preserve louder peaks=1
Difference=0
[Phase Rotator]
Enabled=0
Start frequency=3500
Start speed=1350
Number of rotations=6
Smoothness=0.985999942
[Final Limiter]
Enabled=1
Difference=0
Pre-amp=1.5
Pre-limiter enabled=1
Pre-limiter relative volume=1
Reduced CPU processing=0
[FM Transmitter]
Enabled=0
Pre-emphasize=0
Pre-emphasis time=50
Output is pre-emphasized=0
Stereo encoder enabled=0
RDS encoder enabled=0
Pilot signal volume=9
RDS signal volume=4.5
FM overdrive volume=1
RDS PS text=2s:STEREO/2s:TOOL/<1=1.5s,2..-2=2t,-1=1.5s:WWW.STEREOTOOL.COM/|\W"PLAYING %artist% - %title%        "/1s:\T2h\:\T02m\:\T02s/1s:\T2h\:\T02m\.\T02s/1s:\T2h\:\T02m\:\T02s
RDS RadioText text=60s:Stereo Tool: Professional Audio Processing - www.stereotool.com/30s:Stereo Tool by Hans van Zutphen, 1999-2008 - www.stereotool.com/30s:\W"%artist% - %title% - %album%"
RDS PTY=0
RDS PI=65535
RDS Alternative frequency 1=0
RDS Alternative frequency 2=0
RDS Alternative frequency 3=0
RDS Alternative frequency 4=0
RDS Alternative frequency 5=0
RDS Alternative frequency 6=0
RDS Alternative frequency 7=0
RDS Alternative frequency 8=0
RDS Alternative frequency 9=0
RDS Alternative frequency 10=0
RDS Alternative frequency 11=0
RDS Alternative frequency 12=0
RDS Alternative frequency 13=0
RDS Alternative frequency 14=0
RDS Alternative frequency 15=0
RDS Alternative frequency 16=0
RDS Alternative frequency 17=0
RDS Alternative frequency 18=0
RDS Alternative frequency 19=0
RDS Alternative frequency 20=0
RDS Alternative frequency 21=0
RDS Alternative frequency 22=0
RDS Alternative frequency 23=0
RDS Alternative frequency 24=0
RDS Alternative frequency 25=0
RDS TP=0
RDS TA=1
RDS Music=1
RDS Artificial Head=0
RDS Compressed=1
RDS Dynamic PTY=0
RDS RadioText Enabled=1
RDS ClockTime Enabled=1
FM Transmitter Calibration Enabled=0
MPX Oversampling mode=Follow main Quality setting
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 20 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 40 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 80 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 160 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 320 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 640 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 1280 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 2560 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 5120 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 10240 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 19000 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 23000 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 28000 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 33000 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 38000 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 43000 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 48000 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 53000 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Volume 57000 Hz=1
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 20 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 40 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 80 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 160 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 320 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 640 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 1280 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 2560 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 5120 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 10240 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 19000 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 23000 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 28000 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 33000 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 38000 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 43000 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 48000 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 53000 Hz=0
FM Transmitter Calibration - Phase shift 57000 Hz=0
[Direct soundcard access]
Enabled=0
Device ID=Microsoft Sound Mapper
Volume=1
Buffer size=1
Send to Winamp=Nothing
ASIO Override channel 1=4
ASIO Override channel 2=5
[Low latency output]
Enabled=0
Device ID=ERROR: INVALID DEVICEID
Volume=1
Buffer size=0.079999998
ASIO Override channel 1=2
ASIO Override channel 2=3
Author:  soundmanfm [ Fri May 21, 2010 7:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 5.00
Hello Hans


I send to you a program version that works the best.. of all her it is already
impossible to download.
Igor
Author:  soundmanfm [ Fri May 21, 2010 7:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 5.00
Hans! I read about with sss
O God you understood me !!!!!!!!! :o :o :o
S sss This be very important for a transmitter. If yet there to add a sound from five different players and mixer you goes out very badly when much ssss
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