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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:02 pm 
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Nice! So Enterprise is not the only idea for multiple instances? That should be interesting.
Oops, I think I was talking about Enterprise, but the one that's in open beta has the old soundcard framework I believe.
It does have the new sound card framework.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:20 pm 
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One thing we want to add at some point is something that "sanifies" (is that even a word?) presets by adjusting intermediate levels (basically, we would send audio through the preset for some time, measure levels between all stages that affect loudness, and adjust drive/output levels such that the average level is the same at each step.
No, but neither is delossify or basstardize, and those seem to work. Sanitize sounds like Disinfect, and that's no fun either.

But that's a good idea. I ran into needing so much reduction because I set my AGC Drive and preamplification very high and don't use the multibands/wideband. I'm realizing now how I should stage output levels in the compressors (using 1:1 ratios to keep everything else the same), instead of working with an extreme clipper drive solution. This affects how I need to set my sub-bass boost threshold as well, whose limits have also been adjusted. This new UI is an opportunity to clean up my settings.

Good Luck trying to figure out that loudness stage algorithm. Not that you'd need it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:03 pm 
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No, but neither is delossify or basstardize, and those seem to work. Sanitize sounds like Disinfect, and that's no fun either.
It apparently exists: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sanify#English


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:54 pm 
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Doh! Leave it to a non-native English speaker to know the rules of the language better than a Texan. LOL

Regarding potential colorization:
I don't know what your plans are for implementing different color options or how easy this particular idea would be to implement, but a solution that doesn't involve individual color picking would be to 'rotate' the overall hue however many degrees in the render, if possible. For example in this attached screenshot, I've rotated the hue -100 and +100 degrees.

It's not always pretty, but it's effective for identifying a particular instance out of multiple ST Windows on sight. Yes, Enterprise is coming, but I actually want this for the plugin version, for working in a DAW.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:30 pm 

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The Gain values are placed under "Loudness", which you can open (I don't know how this works in a to-speech program...). There you can find "Lows gain", "Mids gain", Presence gain" etc.
I can open that, thanks. However lows density, mids density, etc are gone? The gain can't be adjusted very much, only 3 DB either way. Can you possibly increase it to like 12 or 24, or put density back in? It's a way to change the equalizer (the equalizer section appears to be a graphic you draw by hand)?
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I see that the checkboxes in title bars are of a different type (button instead of input type=checkbox), which probably explains this. Does your screen reader software say anything at all when it passes these things? We might be able to add some tag to it, but I don't know if you get any feedback that there's something clickable there.
Sometimes I can find checkboxes for the settings. But in Noise Removal, when I first enter it, this is how it reads.
"NOISE GATE
button
button
button
Noise gate
Total noise removal
-40 dB (edit box)
-40 (slider)
Filtering per band (link)"
The edit box works fine, and I can press the filtering per band link. It's just the buttons I have no idea what they do. I can press the top button and one of them seems to disappear.
Also after I open "filtering per band", the screen appears blank to the reader, it probably has to do with how the controls for that section are displayed. That setting is minor though, and I can escape back to the main interface.
The noise removal section isn't the only one with unlabeled buttons. However the buttons for Processing, Repair, BIMP, configuration etc work fine. I can also change the presets, but before I selected a preset it just said "blank" there.

Thanks for offering to fix the interface!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:35 pm 
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The Gain values are placed under "Loudness", which you can open (I don't know how this works in a to-speech program...). There you can find "Lows gain", "Mids gain", Presence gain" etc.
I can open that, thanks. However lows density, mids density, etc are gone? The gain can't be adjusted very much, only 3 DB either way. Can you possibly increase it to like 12 or 24, or put density back in? It's a way to change the equalizer (the equalizer section appears to be a graphic you draw by hand)?
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I see that the checkboxes in title bars are of a different type (button instead of input type=checkbox), which probably explains this. Does your screen reader software say anything at all when it passes these things? We might be able to add some tag to it, but I don't know if you get any feedback that there's something clickable there.
Sometimes I can find checkboxes for the settings. But in Noise Removal, when I first enter it, this is how it reads.
"NOISE GATE
button
button
button
Noise gate
Total noise removal
-40 dB (edit box)
-40 (slider)
Filtering per band (link)"
The edit box works fine, and I can press the filtering per band link. It's just the buttons I have no idea what they do. I can press the top button and one of them seems to disappear.
Also after I open "filtering per band", the screen appears blank to the reader, it probably has to do with how the controls for that section are displayed. That setting is minor though, and I can escape back to the main interface.
The noise removal section isn't the only one with unlabeled buttons. However the buttons for Processing, Repair, BIMP, configuration etc work fine. I can also change the presets, but before I selected a preset it just said "blank" there.

Thanks for offering to fix the interface!
The density settings can be found under "Texture".

The first "button" of those buttons is the on/off; if the 2nd button disappears it's off. I haven't had time today anymore to add Repair and Bimp overview pages, hopefully tomorrow.

The blank screen should be a popup... This probably means that you can't see any of the popups (which normally isn't really needed anyway, since this is deeply hidden stuff).


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:50 pm 
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While zoom function can make more realistic size of everything i still think that is not it. Found 0.7 as some value i can accept, also to close match size with old GUI.
I have both old and new gui installed and 2 major bad thing happens.
First i set zoom (arund 0.7) in new GUI and close it, then i open old gui, old GUI is HUGE, usually out of monitor size. Then i close old gui and again start new GUI then zoom is reset to 1 again and still smaller then old.
So, something in sizes just don't match, and zoom does not fully solve it. New gui has some bigger value somewhere or does not support something with DPI or windows something..

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:50 pm 

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The density settings can be found under "Texture".

Thanks! And thanks for the on/off tip. Not always true, though. Bandpass and stereo section are examples, I can hear changes if I press the buttons but no labels or disappearing buttons. The old style interface had labels (web_widget_on) or (web_widget_off). Maybe add "on" or "off" to the on and off buttons? Here's another page for labeling buttons using aria. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/doc ... aria-label
There's no difference buttons there like before either for me, but they might be unlabeled too. In fact, I've not yet seen a difference button (I find those useful for the clipper).


As for the main page, I noticed the density and attack/release controls were shortened. Only +/-6 or +/-2? I think they should be a lot more flexible like before.
Also it would be cool if the pop-up for processing overview worked for me. Without it, I'd have to change pages to every option just to check if it's on or off.

I'll be happy to test any changes/improvements you can make to the web interface!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:20 am 
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Found 0.7 as some value i can accept, also to close match size with old GUI.
Yes, I'm also approximately 0.75x zoom and it feels good. Though, I can't tell precisely cause there's only one decimal place. I was gonna ask but I kept forgetting:

Would it be possible to get more decimal places for things like this? Any kind of percentile or multiple/factor representation would benefit from two decimal spaces.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:44 am 
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Found 0.7 as some value i can accept, also to close match size with old GUI.
Yes, I'm also approximately 0.75x zoom and it feels good. Though, I can't tell precisely cause there's only one decimal place. I was gonna ask but I kept forgetting:

Would it be possible to get more decimal places for things like this? Any kind of percentile or multiple/factor representation would benefit from two decimal spaces.
Yes, I just changed it before starting the nightly build (haven't checked that the percentage is displayed correctly, it should be, but it's 0:43 here already and I wanted to stop for today).


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