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Stereo Tool 7.03 BETA
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Author:  michi95 [ Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:24 am ]
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@ Brian

Thank you very much for your help concerning K8 dual core !
My delayed response is based on the fact that I was completely offline for some days.


@ Hans

The UI reacts indeed often somehow odd.
For example it is impossible to set 9000 Hz (new MB, band 7 - DSP version). :? :? :?
You have to do it inside STS.

Edit
Suddenly it is possible to set 9000 ! (starting from scratch after a reset)
Anyway the essence of the problem still persists.
Now I can set 9000, 9002, 9003, 9005, 9007, 9008, 9010, etc. (but not 9001, 9004, 9006, 9009, etc.) - the same with mousewheel and/or arrow keys.
Before then it worked the other way round.
:arrow:
The UI is not perfect.
Author:  Bojcha [ Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:55 am ]
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I wonder is there any difference between 9000 and 9001 or 9002.
Oh, you can even visual check.. go to "bands" and check will lines move.
Author:  \_/ [ Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:45 am ]
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Somehow, there's an offset in the log() calculation. I don't understand this one either. I can tell you this though: If it says x2.00 (+6.02 dB), it's really x2 so 6 dB, not 6.02. (Not that small differences like this should ever be noticeable).
What do you mean? 20 log(2) = 6.02...
Author:  hvz [ Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:02 am ]
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What do you mean? 20 log(2) = 6.02...
Now I feel stupid... :)
Author:  hvz [ Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:05 am ]
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@michi95: I doubt you'll even be able to hear any difference if you move this frequency by 100 Hz. For frequencies I use a scale where precision is much higher for lower values.
Author:  bob53bob [ Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:36 pm ]
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Do the beta versions have a problem keeping the registration intact? I've entered my key twice and it's been accepted each time yet after a reboot is still says Advanced Clipper and FM used but not registered.
Author:  hvz [ Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:07 am ]
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Do the beta versions have a problem keeping the registration intact? I've entered my key twice and it's been accepted each time yet after a reboot is still says Advanced Clipper and FM used but not registered.
Is this the VST or another version? I just got a report from someone about this type of behavior in the VST version...

It *should* work.
Author:  bob53bob [ Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:31 am ]
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Quote:
Quote:
Do the beta versions have a problem keeping the registration intact? I've entered my key twice and it's been accepted each time yet after a reboot is still says Advanced Clipper and FM used but not registered.
Is this the VST or another version? I just got a report from someone about this type of behavior in the VST version...

It *should* work.
It's the stand alone version.
Author:  michi95 [ Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:48 am ]
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@michi95: I doubt you'll even be able to hear any difference if you move this frequency by 100 Hz. For frequencies I use a scale where precision is much higher for lower values.
I know that it is audible irrelevant.
But it indicates the imperfection of the whole UI to set precisely values.
You can ignore it as an audible irrelevant cosmetic problem.
But if the new Stereo Tool is designed to be a professional software then it is somehow irritating that it is not possible to enter every integer Hz value precisely.

Maybe it would be the easiest solution to replace the slider system at least for setting frequencies by an option to click and enter numbers with the keyboard (similar to many other apps and VST-plugins) including non-integer values for low frequencies - e.g. 46.875Hz 93.75Hz 187.5Hz 375Hz ......:?:
Author:  Brian [ Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:51 am ]
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Two issues. Well, one GUI behavior question that might turn into an issue, and then a configuration setting issue. The first is fairly cut and dry, but the second is a bit lengthy due to describing the scenario and then some conceptual discussion.

1) When you hit the X to "close" the GUI, if you're using the DSP version, you're not really "closing" the application. All you're doing is minimizing to tray, however the DSP version writes settings data to disk when being trayed. It does not write when it is just minimized. In my opinion, it doesn't need to write the data when being sent to tray, and the behavior of minimize and tray should be the same.

2) While I was trying to go to sleep last night, I got to thinking about the Quality slider. Yeah, it is that hard for me to go to sleep. :roll: Anyway, I understand the reasoning behind not wanting to lower the quality if it doesn't need to be lowered, but how about if viewed from the opposite perspective, i.e. someone with a less-capable machine? What can then happen is the user, a potential paying customer, is presented with the default configuration being "maximum quality". If they don't have the hardware for maximum quality and that's what they're given as the default, in my opinion, that doesn't make a good first impression. Yes, you can indeed change that configuration, but the first impression was already made.

Because my development experience was for a Fortune 500 company and a government entity, the idea of "self-healing" and "user-friendly" software got hammered into me. Self-healing is still a stretch as it borders on Artificial Intelligence. That's not efficiently doable at this point, but software that has performance metrics built into it and can be adaptive based on how efficiently a test data set is processed is certainly doable.

Case-in-point: Winamp's "Modern Skins"

Modern Skins have a "Timers Resolution" setting on the General tab for that component's preferences. What this maps to in Stereo Tool is the "Display Refresh Speed" setting just below the Quality setting. In Winamp, there is a button that you can click that says "As fast as possible for this machine". You play some audio, and it runs a test to select what it feels is the fastest recommended setting.

I think it would be good for Stereo Tool to have something similar. It could be run manually at any time, but it would automatically run a test at installation and would provide the user with some sort of notification of what it has determined to be the "recommended setting". I would think it should also run any time the number of samples are changed. What would really be cool is if there was a separate quality setting for each number of samples setting (512, 1024, 2048, 4096).
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