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Stereo Tool 10.01 BETA
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Author:  hvz [ Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 10.01 BETA
Stange. And you have played dynamic music, with fast enough releases so there is something to limit? The main effect you'll notice is that the level goes down, it won't sound limited.
Author:  dave@daveball.net [ Sat Aug 19, 2023 12:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 10.01 BETA
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Stange. And you have played dynamic music, with fast enough releases so there is something to limit? The main effect you'll notice is that the level goes down, it won't sound limited.
Very dynamic music - including acoustic and 80s dance with big thumps.

I tried turning off my MB2 (with peak compression and soft clipping). I made adjustments to the Intellilimit - I think I hear it doing something. It's very subtle. There's definitely no indication of effect in the meters.

In MB2 I do peak control with a very fast INF ratio compressor followed by a bit of soft clipping. The impact of MB2 is very noticeable. The impact of Intellilimit (with MB2 off) would be difficult to hear in a blind test.

I've also been watching the deflection of the Advanced Clipper - I can't see a difference.

Maybe it's just very natural sounding?
Author:  weskeene [ Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 10.01 BETA
Unless misconfigured, it will sound very smooth and unobtrusive. Unlike the other limiter, you will not see a special color. You’ll just see much faster attack in the band when it kicks in.

Have you tried other speeds? I’m quite a fan of 2ms.
Author:  MrKlorox [ Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:54 am ]
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Just in case it is useful to anyone, here are some sample settings utilizing the new compressor. This is *not* a finished product. But it's most of the way there.

Note that I am one of the people who is just using MB1. No AGC, no MB2. As a result, you're going to frequently see the MB meters get pegged. We need a bigger UI range for that as an option now. But we've had other priorities thus far.
Indeed this sounds much better when applying your MB1 to my preset with the AGC disabled. Nice work!
I can't wait til we get this new tech in more modules, such as the AGC.
Out of curiosity, is there any plan to introduce this new compressor tech to some of the milder compressors such as the Sub-Bass Boost/Low-Level Boost? Or is that unnecessarily too much/hard to license?
Author:  weskeene [ Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 10.01 BETA
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Just in case it is useful to anyone, here are some sample settings utilizing the new compressor. This is *not* a finished product. But it's most of the way there.

Note that I am one of the people who is just using MB1. No AGC, no MB2. As a result, you're going to frequently see the MB meters get pegged. We need a bigger UI range for that as an option now. But we've had other priorities thus far.
Indeed this sounds much better when applying your MB1 to my preset with the AGC disabled. Nice work!
I can't wait til we get this new tech in more modules, such as the AGC.
Out of curiosity, is there any plan to introduce this new compressor tech to some of the milder compressors such as the Sub-Bass Boost/Low-Level Boost? Or is that unnecessarily too much/hard to license?
Thank you. It will indeed make its way to AGC and MB2 (in modified form, to suit the purpose of each module). Due to the complexities of UI and settings logic, we want to make sure it’s perfected before going to that effort. We haven’t discussed other modules yet. I would imagine it could be beneficial to harness this technology in some other places.
Author:  Ek95 [ Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 10.01 BETA
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Just in case it is useful to anyone, here are some sample settings utilizing the new compressor. This is *not* a finished product. But it's most of the way there.

Note that I am one of the people who is just using MB1. No AGC, no MB2. As a result, you're going to frequently see the MB meters get pegged. We need a bigger UI range for that as an option now. But we've had other priorities thus far.

My expectation is that in the final product, the user will adjust drive until they see the compressor producing about 24-27dB on typical material in most bands. I'm still working on testing gating a little, as well as SDP, so these may change prior to release. Also, note that this was tested for FM use. The full preset is configured accordingly.
Thanks, can u say how much LUFS it is and how I could change that? Want to test it (off-air).
Author:  weskeene [ Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 10.01 BETA
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Just in case it is useful to anyone, here are some sample settings utilizing the new compressor. This is *not* a finished product. But it's most of the way there.

Note that I am one of the people who is just using MB1. No AGC, no MB2. As a result, you're going to frequently see the MB meters get pegged. We need a bigger UI range for that as an option now. But we've had other priorities thus far.

My expectation is that in the final product, the user will adjust drive until they see the compressor producing about 24-27dB on typical material in most bands. I'm still working on testing gating a little, as well as SDP, so these may change prior to release. Also, note that this was tested for FM use. The full preset is configured accordingly.
Thanks, can u say how much LUFS it is and how I could change that? Want to test it (off-air).
I have not measured.
Author:  TheDaChicken [ Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 10.01 BETA
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I'm not really sure what the best solution is, since changes in the beta's can change how things sound (see MrKlorox' post above). It might be a good idea to create a separate forum post, but let's wait a few days until things are a bit more stable. So for now, just send your description here. Especially because if something turns out to be wrong, it may lead to redesigns which would be posted in this thread anyway.
Here is my description here:
I think like everyone here: I found it a massive change from the old compressor.
I found certain songs "sound normal" though I found most of my music collection still sound off.

For example, claps are still prominent. Sometimes I found "claps" being pushed down too much where it sounds crappy. Though the whole experience still sounds pretty stale?

I am bad at giving a descriptions so I do want to provide a song.
An example would be "Alle Farben - Follow You (Bakermat Remix)" where it's really... something.

My friend calls it "peaking" and "it doesn't sound right."

This is also while using Intellilimit, without an AGC and only using the new compressor with band linking.

This isn't related to compression but I do also have ACR Stereo + a small bit of Stereo Boost enabled.
Author:  MrKlorox [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 10.01 BETA
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Just in case it is useful to anyone, here are some sample settings utilizing the new compressor. This is *not* a finished product. But it's most of the way there.

Note that I am one of the people who is just using MB1. No AGC, no MB2. As a result, you're going to frequently see the MB meters get pegged. We need a bigger UI range for that as an option now. But we've had other priorities thus far.
Hm, okay. So testing out Run the Jewels - Walking in the Snow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G52lnwP8uX0) between 15 and 30 seconds, the loudness increases substantially. I'll keep looking for stress songs that sound 'off' with this new compressor.

Just brainstorming here. Would it be reasonable to include a Threshold Offset slider in the new compressor architecture (so we can adjust the overall threshold as extremely as 12 db below/above what each band is set at)? BreakawayOne (and presumably Omnia tech) has a type of slider that adjusts multiple sliders at a time and returns to the center as you let go of the mouse button, adjusting each slider by however many db you tried to offset by. I'll capture video of it because it's hard to explain: https://imgur.com/nMoT8Ae

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Author:  Bojcha [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 10.01 BETA
Hope professionals here will not take this as offense.

Stop wasting time with this new MB, it will never work.
Compressors scan last ~10 seconds of audio and tune release/attack/on the fly, meaning, it will make huge 10 seconds mistake if audio dynamics is different in previous 10 second'.
Tuning ANY settings is pointless, it will work now, and in next 10 sec who knows how. On top of that it's VERY aggressive sometimes in auto tuning those parameters and nothing you can do. And that's just 1 of few other problems.
It's overcomplicated and completely opposite of actual problem of all iterations of compressor(s)/AGC.
And solution is prety simple.
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