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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:31 pm 
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I found A BUG. :ppp On BassBoost when you click Play only Bass, when you move the slider Maximum Bass Peak Level to 0 the ST close.!

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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:56 pm 

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mouhahahaha!

again , please make an AUTO RESTART daemon just in case :))))

My soundcard drivers cause stereotool crash every 6 or 7 days! ( stereotoolstandalone closes and windows error report appears.. )

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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:12 pm 
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Oh, camclone relax yourself !

You have asked ten times for this AUTO RESTART daemon thing.

And Hans has already written, that he will integrate it in the next version (or one of the next versions).
So please be patient.
You are so egocentric to think that it is the most important thing in the world that Hans implement it already to next beta.
How many hours give you Hans to do it ?

Hans is not your personal slave !
Sorry, but too much is too much and Hans is such a friendly, altruistic and polite guy that I thought it was now my turn to be the bad boy here.

Camclone I understand that you desperately wait for this option, but you have to understand that it needs a little time (and won't be ready in a few hours).

Peace !


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:08 pm 
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Camclone.. you can really relax a bit. Michi is right about that ..


Anyway, i made something for you. It's for WinXP but should work in Win7...
Please test it...
Attachment:
ST_restarter.rar [1.01 KiB]
Downloaded 234 times
Extract to ST folder ("C:\Program Files\Stereo Tool\StereoTool.exe") and start it.
If all ok, try to kill ST proces.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:05 pm 
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@Hans

strict clip - it's close, but work more like limit then clip.
If you think this will be good to implement, as i described, then ok, anyway, i give up.

distortion detection - Something is still not logic to me.
If i set "Clip lowest bass at (dynamic)" to 0%, and play only, for example, bass-beat through ST, Level of bass should not be lowered under 100%, even by 1% (?) currently it kills all the way.

What i think is that this "filter" should not react on this freqa, actually on freqs 0Hz to > adjusted under "Clip lowest bass at (dynamic)"


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:50 pm 
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strict clip - it's close, but work more like limit then clip.
If you think this will be good to implement, as i described, then ok, anyway, i give up.
It is clipped, but then the distortion is filtered out which causes the audio to get some peaks that are higher than the clipping level. Only solution for that would be to limit it (like in 'hard limit') afterwards. I could do that, but I still don't understand what the purpose of that would be? (Please explain - you wrote before that you had an idea why it could be so important!)
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distortion detection - Something is still not logic to me.
If i set "Clip lowest bass at (dynamic)" to 0%, and play only, for example, bass-beat through ST, Level of bass should not be lowered under 100%, even by 1% (?) currently it kills all the way.
Ok, now I'm confused... That's what it did before, and then you wrote that it should clip at 90% EVEN if there are no highs... A few versions ago it did go upto 100% if only bass was played, so I guess I must have misunderstood what you meant?

Basically, the behavior I intended was:
- Only bass: 100%
- Highs with no sign of voice vibrations: Quickly drop to 'Clip lowest bass at (dynamic)' level
- Voice vibrations: Drop lower.

Currently instead I always drop to 'Clip lowest bass at (dynamic)' in case of only bass.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:49 pm 
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Only solution for that would be to limit it (like in 'hard limit') afterwards. I could do that, but I still don't understand what the purpose of that would be? (Please explain - you wrote before that you had an idea why it could be so important!)
I said .. i'm not 100% sure why is this important and what are benefits, but Orban's and BBP's makers are proud with that thing. I I just wanted to see same in ST at work.
You killed my curiosity. :mrgreen:
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Ok, now I'm confused... That's what it did before, and then you wrote that it should clip at 90% EVEN if there are no highs... A few versions ago it did go upto 100% if only bass was played, so I guess I must have misunderstood what you meant?
Sorry for misunderstanding. I did not think so. I mean .. why the bass to go down where there is only bass present.
sry.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:07 pm 
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This is BBP with HARD pushed BASS and with Input freqs 0-300hz
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Here, never cross 94%.

To be honest.. I have idea why is that important.. but not 100% sure, just want same in ST to see what will happen :)
Not sure but... Could it be that louder bass causes artifacts in the composite limiter (bass gets small spikes in the extremes, which may be noticeable if no other sounds are present)?


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:20 pm 
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Not sure that i understant that q.

I don't know is this clip is in Composite limiter or erlier clip (like Hard Limit in ST")

I guess that this clip is Not in Composite limiter, so composite limiter only works with freqs like 350hz-16kHz. That's only my theory - maybe not true :)

edit:
I can never make this kind of clip in ST.. maybe just a bit. Blocked by Loudness


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:42 am 
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No, what I mean is this: Composite limiter causes small short volume drops when RDS spikes occur during volume spikes. These drops are usually not or almost not noticeable, but for bass sounds I think they will be noticeable.

About the flat bass: Stereo Tool CAN generate such flat bass for normal music, but it won't do so for single sine waves.
Why? Because it only changes the shape if it can do so WITHOUT introducing sounds that were not present in the original.

Set the lowpass filter frequency to around 300-400 Hz, then input a really loud bass and you'll see what I mean.
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NOTE: I think it might be a good idea to allow for MORE of this for low frequencies - that would allow louder lows (actually that's what I'm doing dynamically with 'Max highs burst strength' if loud S sounds are present). At high frequencies these type of waves cause distortion, but for low frequencies it doesn't really. I guess I should make an extra slider for that :shock:


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