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Author:  PowerSound [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.03 BETA
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Question about new Multiband behavior.

What should be done when you change the number of bands? All the settings (freq, steepness, but also attack, release, ratio, threshold etc.) depend on the frequency content of a band. So, what should happen if you change the number of bands?

1 - Completely separate set of settings for each number of bands. Disadvantage: If you want to add an extra band, you need to build all the settings from scratch.
2 - Keep the available data. Disadvantage: If you change the number of bands and don't do anything else you may get a really weird and bad sound.
3 - Any other ideas?

Option '1' makes sense for Simple mode behavior - you choose more bands, and you automatically get the behavior that matches that number of bands. But: That also means that each preset needs to support any number of bands, OR that the number of bands can not be changed in Simple mode.

Option '2' seems easiest for when you're editing: You discover that you need an extra band for the high frequencies, so you just add one, and you keep the settings for all the other bands.
Personally I think that when someone wants to make a change to a preset --> add a band, that it would be logical that that band should build op from scratch --> because the person doesn't like (is missing something) it, the person itself should tweak the last band(s).
So keep settings with every band (option 1) Changing amount of bands should in my opinion never mean ''lose'' data
Author:  PowerSound [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.03 BETA
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Maybe I say something wrong, but I think 6 bands is enough. At the big processors you can choose sometimes 2 bands in stead of the maximum bands. Nothing between that (as far as I have seen). I think put it to 6 and no errors any more of using less... Also better for the presets to have the same amount of bands.


The big advantagde of StereoTool in comparising to other Software or Hardware is the many tweaking possibilities. So please let it not be like BBP with only a few tweaking possibillities


What you're saying could be a good thing for ''simple mode'' but then there need to be some ''standard'' presets for only the simple mode. So ''homelisteners'' can't do much harm (not sure if that's the word I'm looking for)


But I hope sincerely that, for sure in extreme tweaker mode, it keeps able to select amount of bands from 1 up to 8-9
Author:  hvz [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.03 BETA
I didn't have enough time to build new versions of the others, but here's a new stand alone version.
http://www.stereotool.com/download/ster ... 04-039.exe
http://www.stereotool.com/download/dsp_ ... 04-039.exe ---> NOT YET AVAILABLE, after a Windows update tonight I'm suddenly unable to upload files to the server! :(

Changes:
- Added AGC sidechain!
- MB bands displayed correctly at the bottom of the screen, also in the small display
- MB band freq of last active band can be set anywhere now
- MB split into 2 pages: One for levels (threshold, gate, limit), one for behavior (attack, release, ratio).
- Added 2 new MB sliders: Attack Multiply and Release Multiply. They affect ALL the attack and release settings together, easy to make a more or less aggressive sound while keeping the relative changes between bands.
Author:  \_/ [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.03 BETA
I don't think there's any need for 5 interface modes, maybe 2 or 3 will do. I guess there are basically only 2 kinds of users: the ones who will never even change the mode and then persons who immediately switch to 'extreme tweaking' because they don't want to miss anything. Additionally there's always the problem that the specific setting you might want to change isn't in one of the lower modes you're in. So you have to guess the right mode or go to the highest anyway.

You only see a white rectangle if you set too high values for the new equalizer in the config file directly (yes, I know I'm not supposed to but I'm bad at free hand drawing :D ).

How do I compensate for the frequency changes the compressor causes? I mean how to find the correct EQ curves. Or do I even need a dynamic EQ for that?
Author:  2Sense [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:04 pm ]
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How about terms like 'steepness lower' and 'steepness upper' to refer to the steepness of the lower and upper edges of the bands?

Maybe I'm totally off the mark here...
You're the second person saying this so it needs to be changed. But lower and upper... I wanted to change it, but then I thought - for me it would make sense that 'lower' is where the signal gets lowered, so the right side. So I find this term confusing as well. Any other ideas? Rising and Falling comes to mind but my logic might differ from other people's logic.
Hmm. I guess we are talking about the technical parameters /characteristics of a bandpass filter, right?
I think that you are referring to the lowering of level (amplitude) by a certain amount at a certain point at the band edges and this is why you don't like the term but in my mind the lower and upper edges relate to the band edge being on the lower or upper end of the filter's centre frequency...

I guess that it's also not necessarily just the right side of a bandpass filter where level gets 'lowered'. In a bandpass filter it would be 'lowered' at the upper and lower edges of the filter. To complicate matters, there appear to be a mix of filter types - I guess that the first filter is actually a low pass, the inbetween filters bandpass and the last filter a high pass?

Seeing as there is a fair amount of space available how about 'lower edge steepness' and 'upper edge steepness'?

I too am open for corrections or suggestions!
Author:  phantomfm [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.03 BETA
Please,

Can you guys try my experimental 5 BAND setup ?
I have tryed to get more consitency and better bass control.

Please PM comments to keep this threat clean.

Jeroen.

Attachments:
File comment: 5 band setup, ALL parameters, stand alone version
BIG O by PhantomFM_NEW 5 BAND.sts [38.59 KiB]
Downloaded 202 times
Author:  frikandelmetmayo [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.03 BETA
Hi hans,

I have some problems with the latest beta.
The first time that i started ST, there were no problems.
I've loaded jeroen's new 5 band preset, and it was running perfect.
Now i've rebooted my pc, and now ST is running slow...
I've got a cpu load from 4~50% (normally it is about 40~50%) , and all the graphs in ST are stuttering.
Also i've got no sound anymore.
Tried to reinstall ST, still same problems.

Regards ronald
Author:  phantomfm [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.03 BETA
Could it be something to do with the preset ? it's an ALL setting, so all soundcard settings are saved too.
Please check your soundcard settings !
The preset is configure in a standalone setup with 192Khz ASIO low latency buffer settings.
This could be the reason you are have this trouble, please load your selfmade ALL preset if you have one.

Jeroen.
Author:  frikandelmetmayo [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.03 BETA
Hi jeroen,

Problem solved now...
It was an latency issue...
I don't now why, but it seems that the latency has changed with this new version?
Normally with 4096 samples & ASIO i could set the latency to lets say 48ms, and now i have to set it to 138ms to run ST properly.....
Author:  hvz [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.03 BETA
Note to self: For tomorrow:
- Fix equalizer/side chain scale (now not logarithmic; should be same as MB bands)
- Disable mouse hold behavior for all widgets except sliders
- Think about a new MB peak limiter - current one causes distortion (works exactly as designed in RMS mode, but distorts horribly in Peak mode). -> Lol, I came up with a brilliant new idea last night. So this morning I looked at the code, and found out that I had already implemented it - only with a small bug. Fixed now. Peak limiting has the same quality as RMS limiting (I *do* still hear some mild distortion in the highest band though... Might need to be fixed later).


After a Windows update tonight I'm suddenly unable to access my server via FTP (and FTP client I tried hangs) - will try again tomorrow. So for now I'm unable to upload the VST and DSP versions of BETA039.
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