If it'll be better, great!
i'll always use Composite limiter as maximum as possible but without this.
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| Author: | hvz [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 5.02 |
Ah ok. I can divide the response speed by 2, that would reduce those a lot at the cost of loosing a small (tiny) amount of volume. |
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| Author: | Bojcha [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 5.02 |
If it'll be better, great! i'll always use Composite limiter as maximum as possible but without this.
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| Author: | hvz [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 5.02 |
Quote: If it'll be better, great!
The level of artifacts is more than 70 dB below the audio level, so it should not be noticeable at all - far more than the signal/noise ratio you'll get during normal reception. And it affects frequencies above 15 kHz, which most people can hardly hear anyway. So I wouldn't worry about it too much. Still, it would be better if it's not there.i'll always use Composite limiter as maximum as possible but without this. Edit: Hm, effect on audio volume is MUCH smaller than I had expected (less than 0.01 dB!). I'll just need to check if the sound is still good, if so I might even reduce it another step. |
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| Author: | hvz [ Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 5.02 |
Building now! Artifacts level is ~ 10 dB lower (I've reduced the speed by a factor 4, which still seems to have nearly no effect on the output). So you could also set the Composite Limiter higher now. |
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| Author: | hvz [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 5.02 |
Winamp DSP plugin: http://www.stereotool.com/download/dsp_ ... 510-27.exe Stand alone version: http://www.stereotool.com/download/ster ... 510-27.exe VST version: http://www.stereotool.com/download/vst_ ... 510-27.dll VST version (No SSE2): http://www.stereotool.com/download/vst_ ... 510-27.dll Command line version: http://www.stereotool.com/download/ster ... 510-27.exe Linux command line version: http://www.stereotool.com/download/ster ... BETA510-27 (Build error - server was offline) Measured at Composite Limiter setting 105%, the difference in output volume with the previous version is less than 0.01 dB. Artifacts are about 10 dB lower. |
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| Author: | Bojcha [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 5.02 |
Awesome!! Composite clipper works better then ever! Is it possible with hard limit to do same? |
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| Author: | hvz [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 5.02 |
Quote: Awesome!!
Not really! Hard Limit ALSO switches from normal (~ 44.1/48 kHz) processing to 4* upsampled (~ 176.4/192 kHz) processing, which makes limiting a lot harder. Mainly for highs.Composite clipper works better then ever! Is it possible with hard limit to do same? However, SOMETHING like this might be possible - I'll do a check tomorrow. But don't expect too much - I have already implemented (that was the recent 'Hard Limit' improvement) that the volume doesn't come up too fast after a bigger volume drop, so it's probably already responding slow enough. |
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| Author: | michi95 [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 5.02 |
Sorry, I am too lazy to follow every detail of your discussion, because you know I am not into FM (and even not interested in loudness). My question: So using presets without FM and without loudness, is there any (noticeable) sound difference between latest Beta 27 and Beta 19 ? And (before I try it and it crashes again): Any changes to the VST version ? Or any idea how to solve the incompatibility problems, yet ? |
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| Author: | Bojcha [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 5.02 |
Quote: So using presets without FM and without loudness, is there any (noticeable) sound difference between latest Beta 27 and Beta 19 ?
No, should be only difference when higher sample rates is used (176,4/192kHz)For non-fm usage 48kHz is recommended. 44.1 should be good too. For me Main update from 5.02 (for non-fm) is multiband's 'flat frequency responce' and agc. |
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| Author: | Luke [ Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 5.02 |
Hans, where is this ever going to end? A maybe stupid request. As I really like a high average volume would it be possible to add a 2 band comp limiter after the multiband? Soundsolution and MBL4 used to do this I believe and you could get some nice results out of it. I remember a radiostation (radio Contact) that used the famous DBX compressors with the 1 slider (pump pump pump) Some guy created equalizer things for it so it was kind of a multiband with different compressors (hahahah phase and linearity) You could raise the volume of the lows so with every beat the rest would duck a bit, really funny. But for dance and 90's it actually sounded .. different. |
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