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hvz
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:43 pm 
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Not sure if the recording went right:

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http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/34858855/file.html

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http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/52675138/file.html


with the latest beta
1 sounds much fuller and has more bass than 2. But also weird artifacts, mainly in 1. So this is BETA023? Stand alone or DSP? Or 022A VST? And 1 is Slow FIR? Also, in a spectrum recording 2 has less bass - but this filter should not affect bass at all.

I've tried subtracting the two and I hear a quite band 'bumping' sound in the bass, are you using a lower quality setting? Your results are completely different from mine (and I've tested with your preset), so there must be something in your settings that I'm missing.

Could you run the following audio through it and record the result? (And please indicate which is which)
http://www3.zippyshare.com/v/57148215/file.html
I would also be interested in a recording of this with ONLY the Phase Equalizer enabled, everything else off. (Actually, if they are different that would suffice).


Edit: Just tested the VST version, also no real difference.

WOW, sound is so subjective.
Used last beta standalone, quality slider is not at full otherwise I couldn't record. (but used same quality settings for both recordings)

1 is optimized phase
2 is slow FIR


For me 2 sounds better
1 has more bass but also more weird artifacts. I'll do this same measurement tonight, in both DSP and VST the result is identical, I would expect the same from the stand alone version...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:34 pm 

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More options for the MB limiter would indeed be helpful. Control over attack, release, hold, etc, would all be nice. The coupling is very helpful, though.
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It`s getting more and more complicated. You spend so much time on this and the only result will be more complicated MB (this may cause more mistakes also).
I prefer to have more flexible limiter instead of 4 or 5 methods of linking the bands.
I mean the Limit option in MB . It`s from -12 to +36 !!!! Why not it be just the opposite - from -36 to +12 ? What we will do at +36 db ?

See? That slider can go up to +36 db ? And ONLY to -12 ?! Do you see any reason to go so so so high ?
You do realise you can change almost anything by text editing the preset file right ?
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hvz
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:59 pm 
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http://www17.zippyshare.com/v/88564723/file.html

slow fir

http://www45.zippyshare.com/v/83533805/file.html
Slow fir top, optimized bottom. They look and sound very much alike (given the pretty loud hiss level and 50 Hz hum I wonder what's happening?? Some bad analog cable?).
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:32 pm 
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It`s getting more and more complicated. You spend so much time on this and the only result will be more complicated MB (this may cause more mistakes also).
I prefer to have more flexible limiter instead of 4 or 5 methods of linking the bands.

I mean the Limit option in MB . It`s from -12 to +36 !!!! Why not it be just the opposite - from -36 to +12 ? What we will do at +36 db ?

See? That slider can go up to +36 db ? And ONLY to -12 ?! Do you see any reason to go so so so high ?

You do realise you can change almost anything by text editing the preset file right ?
Yes, but i must calculate it all because it`s with different type of save parameter. Not in DB`s
More difficult . Thanks for reminding me . Think it`s not that hard to make on slider .


Also i try but when i click on the Slider after loading the new setting , I got EXEPTION and program don`t want to continue . I close the window but it pops again.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:36 pm 
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BETA024:

Windows 32 bit:
Windows stand alone: http://www.stereotool.com/download/ster ... 52-024.exe
Winamp DSP: http://www.stereotool.com/download/dsp_ ... 52-024.exe
VST: http://www.stereotool.com/download/vst_ ... 52-024.dll

CHANGES:
- Make top section smaller in password protected mode
- Web Interface: Add support for buttons. (When in password protected mode there is no way of logging in. Buttons aren't supported in the web interface!)
- Web interface: Fix Strings input
- Web interface: Fix DIRTY handling
- Web interface: Fix BUTTON images
- Rename Phase Equalizer to Phase Delay
- Check for crash when loading skin

TODO:
- ABDP: Put Sloppy / Reduce voice vibrations together?
- Show a warning to turn Smooth Slope on?
- Phase Delay range is 50 ms instead of 60 at 48 kHz. Must be a bug in the sample rate compensation. Or the sample rate is never set.
- Check Smooth Slope setting for all built-in presets
- Choose one or two of the band linking methods -> I think I should keep method 1 or 2, and 4. And make a checkbox (non-linear behavior) instead of a slider to turn mode 4 on. -> Kept method "2" and "4" (non-linear mode)
- Add and update presets
- Change version number to 7.60 (since there's a new filter added).
- Make 2 lowpass freqs both visible
- Test FIR / Optimized audio in stand alone version -> No difference found. - Forget about it unless others report it as well
- Fixed: Clipper crashes in multicore mode if there are more than 2 audio channels.
- Final check and wait for some final presets. And maybe remove some!
- Update Russian translation file, and check if French file is ready. -> NO
- ProppFrexx: Add function to overrule RDS settings in VST version.
- Add interface for media group I talked to at IBC for 50 FM and 50 web stations.

LATER:
- Web interface: Fix HEX and DEC input
- Make Phase Equalizer visible in bottom bar?
- Check Multiband settings Bojcha in Skype - ok, seen it, but what should I do with it?
- Check Multiband meters when using band coupling. Something is weird.
- Multiband: Add more band links
- Split limiters from coupling.
- Add External Pulse Response option

PREVIOUS:
- GUI: Improved layout for very high resolutions (2560x1920), bars are now 1/3rd of the bottom area, waveforms 2/3rds.
- GUI: Made CPU affinity more user friendly (pulldown and masks as backup)
- GUI: Split filters in Restoration / Processing.
- GUI: Display FM lowpass frequency at bottom when FM output is used.
- GUI: Made Configuration, Repair and Processing settings saveable separately.
- GUI: Strange jumps in waveform displays at 100 and 200 ms buffer size fixed.
- GUI: Added password protected mode.
- GUI: Reorganized Advanced Clipper ABDP panel.
- GUI: Moved Phase Rotation and Phase Delay to correct place in menu and bottom bar.
- Performance: Optimized band coupling in MB compressor; ignoring bands with coupling < 0.5%.
- Performance: Optimized Phase Equalizer. Replaced Convolution by complex Fourier transform multiplication.
- Bug fix: GUI: Fix crash when clicking on volume bars.
- Bug fix: Potential GUI crash at certain display sizes fixed.
- Bug fix: Web Interface - Some pull-down menu settings don't match with main GUI.
- Bug fix: On program close, the parameters were removed before the HTTP server was switched off. This might cause an exception if the HTTP server is processing a request.
- Added PNR Noise & Hum filter that removes constant tones and reduces noise.
- Phase Equalizer: Added settings to control the increase in latency.
- Phase Equalizer: Solved multiple bugs that caused it to behave badly.
- Phase Equalizer: Increased range from 10 ms to 60 ms for more control.
- ABDP: Added new "Sloppy" slider. Effect: Slightly louder, 0.5 dB more highs! And probably less pumping due to highs. (*)
- Multiband compressor: Added Band Coupling matrix which overrules the standard band coupling settings. Only available in Extreme Tweaker mode.
- Multiband compressor: Added "Pull down only" checkbox in Multiband compressor (band coupling) for more consistency.
- Multiband compressor: Added band linking (different from already existing band coupling).
- Advanced Clipper: Advanced Bass Distortion Protection (ABDP): Drop in output when strongly clipping around 2600-4000 Hz is reduced.
- Advanced Clipper: ABDP: "Smooth Slide" slider added to make transition between deep bass (clipped) and less deep bass smoother. There used to be a drop upto the 2nd configured bass frequency, with this switch enabled the drop is smoothed (maximum at 1st configured bass freq, gone at 2nd). Result: Warmer, more open, less 'restrained' sound. But probably also a bit more intermodulation distortion. (which might be fixable by changing the frequencies in the preset a bit). (*)
- Advanced Clipper: ABDP: Added extra step that detects intermodulation distortion from bass in voices and reduces it.
- Advanced Clipper: Highs Gap Protection caused a jump in the spectrum between 3.5-3.8 kHz for loud highs. This is now smoothed over a bigger area (2400-4800 Hz).
- Advanced Clipper: Highs Gap Protection: Now stricter than before. Slightly more IMD distortion in the highs but also better protection against volume drops caused by loud highs.
- Re-recorded 'This sound is processed by Stereo Tool' sample which gets played when unregistered features are used.
- Multiband - NAN Output while adjusting the band frequencies (probably something that's not new, ignoring for now...)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:28 am 
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Hans, I hope you can improve the optimized version of phase shaping further.. Un uptomized version is better but the cpu can barely handle it.
They should be identical - aren't they??? Then please send me your settings for testing!
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SLow fir --> richer and fuller
Ok, I've now also ran it through the stand alone version and there is really NO difference between the Slow FIR and optimized versions. And I have loaded the entire preset with IMPORT ALL. I'm giving up on this for now unless someone else can replicate this difference.

Note: To make the sound equal I've had to play the same piece of audio many times until all the meters (mainly AGC) settled, without that it DID sound different. When I play one version on the left channel and the other on the right I do hear some difference, but that's also there if I don't change the Phase Delay setting between Slow Fir and optimized.

I did find another bug: At sample rates different from 44.1 kHz the delay is different. So the compensation for sample rates must have an error. Will fix that tomorrow.
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bob53bob
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:01 pm 

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Haven't upgraded lately but did try this latest Beta. The low pass filter slider is adjustable but it makes no audible difference and the main screen shows that it stays at 15500 . The high pass reading does track on the main screen and audibly.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:13 pm 
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Thank you very much Hans for fixing these "bugs"

- Make top section smaller in password protected mode
- Web Interface: Add support for buttons. (When in password protected mode there is no way of logging in. Buttons aren't supported in the web interface!)

But smaller top section now moves the meter on top of the waveform viewer and makes the very short and very wide. If is not a pita I would prefer stretching the (so they are more detailed) and not totally change the gui .


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:27 pm 
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Haven't upgraded lately but did try this latest Beta. The low pass filter slider is adjustable but it makes no audible difference and the main screen shows that it stays at 15500 . The high pass reading does track on the main screen and audibly.
There is an extra Lowpass enabled in the Transmitter section. Turn it OFF. And May be Hans must make it OFF by default because this is the second person asking/reporting for this.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:03 pm 

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new:
http://www17.zippyshare.com/v/88564723/file.html

slow fir

http://www45.zippyshare.com/v/83533805/file.html
Slow fir top, optimized bottom. They look and sound very much alike (given the pretty loud hiss level and 50 Hz hum I wonder what's happening?? Some bad analog cable?).
Attachment:
tick.png
Well the 50Hz could be there, and other little distortion because of HF.. Normally I don't record.

But when I look at the pictures of the waveform I actually see (small) differences.

But it could be that my mind is messing with what I hear versus what it.actually does (sees)

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