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Stereo Tool 7.25 BETA
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Author:  Bojcha [ Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.25 BETA

With gamma used... other settings need to be bit diffetent. Speeds mostly.

Author:  DJ-DOGGY [ Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.25 BETA

You mean ?
If gamma >1 then speeds to be ? if they are 20ms attack and 100 ms release? how they suppose to be after gamma >1 say 3 for att and 5 for rel
Speeds goin up or down ?

Author:  hvz [ Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.25 BETA

For Gamma > 1, speeds below 6 dB volume difference go up, speeds for bigger volume differences go down.

Author:  DJ-DOGGY [ Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.25 BETA

I got this one but something else
it seems that ND is affect on AGC : sounds like the ND operates before AGC ? Why ? Can i "tell" ND to operate after AGC ? no button or option like this

Author:  hvz [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.25 BETA

Windows:
Winamp version: http://www.stereotool.com/download/dsp_ ... 25-019.exe
Windows stand alone: http://www.stereotool.com/download/ster ... 25-019.exe
Windows VST: http://www.stereotool.com/download/vst_ ... 25-019.dll

A big jump in version number. There have been some versions in the past few days to test some new ideas. Basically, after turning on Natural Dynamics on several presets I didn't like the sound, and that was caused by the multiband compressor. With feedback from Bojcha and some of my own ideas I've now made some changes to it and I don't hear the things I didn't like anymore. On top of that, Bojcha made 2 killer presets that I hope he'll post quickly, they sound really incredibly good.

Changes:
- Added Release Inertia
- Improved limiter: Flatter frequency response, better behavior at low frequencies, more accurate level measurements, tighter (Bojcha, do you still hear the distortion from the previous beta? If so I can smooth things a bit more)
- Added Traditional Peak detection mode to compressor; this mode should not be used unless you have a lack of CPU power -> Brian, I think with this setting the new multiband compressor will perform about the same as the old one.


So what is Inertia? There was a problem with the old compressors: After a very big volume spike, the speed at which the audio returned was always the same - but determined by how much it had to move up. So, if the volume dropped by 6 dB and after 100 ms the volume went up 3 dB, then for a volume drop of 12 dB that would be 6 dB. Sounds perfect.

But it's not. Say you have a huge drop, for example after a very loud 'S' in the high frequency band, where normal volume differences are at most a few dB and this S suddenly sticks out 20 dB.
For a difference of 4 dB, after 100 ms the difference in level is 1 dB - 75% of the difference is reduced. Now, this last 1 dB is really nearly unnoticeable, so for your ears the release kinda stops after 100 ms.
But, for a difference of 20 dB, after 100 ms the difference is still 5 dB! And you need more than another 100 ms before you reach this 1 dB point.

So, after a loud sound you hear a gap at settings that sound good for small volume differences.

The first thing that I did to improve this was to add Gamma (now called 'Flatness'). Which really helps at the final part of release: Small differences get compensated faster. But at the same time, bigger differences take longer to recover, which causes the same effect for really big differences as before.

Inertia fixes this. With inertia combined with Gamma you can make the release happen in a nearly constant time, without the slowdown at the end that you would have without Gamma, but also without the slower recovery for very big volume differences. Basically, the release happens in a nearly straight line, but the slope of the release depends on how much level must be compensated. With high Inertia values, release can even be faster for very big differences than for smaller ones, which can be good to quickly fill up the gap after a loud sound.

Final note: For bigger Gamma values you need bigger Inertia values. It might be possible to combine them into a single slider. But for now, there are 2.


Fixed previously:
- Hangup when pressing Natural Dynamics in bottom display
- ND license incorrect
- AZIMUTH default settings: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4875
- Phase rotator: Change name "As early as possible" (unclear!) and hide in most modes?
- Organize ND settings better
- Fix loading existing presets (Gamma values, "As early as possible" etc.)
- Split ND settings in to GUI modes
- Remove old ND implementation (saves memory and makes STS files smaller) -> 8 MB less memory usage
- Multiband: Improved Flat Frequency Response. Good values seem to be between 0.50 and 0.60 (depending on other settings!)
- Multiband: Added Attack and Release Gamma. See below.
- Phase rotator: Added checkbox to place it at the start of the processing chain (just before Natural Dynamics)

- Multiband/Natural Dynamics: Cleanup small spikes in Flat Frequency Response graph.
- Multiband/Natural Dynamics: Improve flat frequency response further.
- Mac: Default priority value to 46.
- Mac: Menu bar with Close APPLE+Q -> wxEntry exits but rest of software doesn't -> crashes.
- Mac: Cleanup named semaphores on exit
- Mac: RDS binary values
- Multiband/ND: Flat frequency response: value automatic conversion. ((v / .58) ^ .5) * .58
- Decide to which license to link ND -> Now linked to Declipper
- MB Knee does not work -> Yes it does...
- Linux: Test if everything still works. -> Yes, some small fixes were needed. Also removed printing to screen in Jack loop (bad!)
- Compressor: Place Gamma somewhere logical without making the interface too crowded.
- Display ND in bottom section
- ND handle changing number of bands
- Mac: Add auto-generating of .zip file with proper plist.
- Mac: Add icon
- Changed ND default settings (experimental!)

Remaining:
- Default settings for ND
- ND boosts highs in Dragana S track - should not do that
- ND artifacts band 1 (JesseG) - is this still an issue with larger drop times?
- Flat Frequency Response: Built-in presets use default value, should use conversion function.
- Limiter: Fix (check) limiter
- Limiting works MUCH better with no lookahead - seems to use the smoothed signal when using lookahead. Remove that and perform some smoothing in backward direction (probably based on drop speed) to remove crackle.
- Band coupling separate settings per crossover
- Bob Hawkins built-in preset crashes
- Add presets

Later:
- Try to reduce MB/ND volume measurement CPU load. Maybe ignore some bands if there's nearly no signal there etc.
- Multiband/ND: Flat frequency response: Add separate settings for each crossover?)
- MB bands limiting display - Really difficult to fix (without increasing CPU load); it works fine without band coupling, and shows the actual reduction level if band coupling is used. So keeping it like this for now... :(
- Mac: VST: Child window support. Difficult... Maybe later!
- Mac: GUI performance.
- Mac: Cursors not supported. (Keep like that for now).

Author:  hvz [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.25 BETA

Files are available now!

Author:  dj_szpajda [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.25 BETA

I'm trying to understand new feature, default flatness values are 1 and inertia 0, and 0 mean like mb without it? what values ​​are recommended?

Author:  oldiesstation [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.25 BETA

Much improvement in this beta,great job. Looks like a bunch of presets may need retweaking.Maybe Bojcha has a couple of nice ones, he'll share.

Author:  Bojcha [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.25 BETA

I will .. but still deeply investigating new settings in MB...

However..
Quote:
what values ​​are recommended?
Good question. I would start with something like this..
http://i.imgur.com/H0ycI8C.png

Author:  DJ-DOGGY [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 7.25 BETA

Attack and release ratio in your case is about 10 times more for release / 150ms vs 1500 ms/. Is this the optimum ratio between these two ?

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