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Stereo Tool 6.10
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Author:  hvz [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:00 pm ]
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I think i know what's wrong now: the voice vvibration detection fails if the voice volume changes rapidly. That's why mina04 sounds fine without compression and agc, but bad if lots of aggressive processing steps are active.
Author:  Bojcha [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
.. if possible make it to look ahead 1ms or few samples. Should bring better and adequately (on time) detection.
Author:  JesseG [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
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I'm at Leifs place now finishing the declipper library for the Omnia 9, so I don't have time to look into it - maybe later tonight.
Whoot nice, can finally use the O9 without "having" to run your latest ST declipper before it, and without loss of 1 bit.
Author:  phoenix [ Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:13 am ]
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Well I guess it must be the simplifications then. Although I don't understand that you say it's clipping far less strictly - if I look at the output it looks pretty strict here... And the simplifications don't affect the clipping strictness at all.
Strict or not, but there's too much deep bass in this one. I now moved my set up to my desktop (working on my notebook's onboard solution all this while), changed my headphones. It's bleeding bass!
All this while I had 'Two Steps' and 'Very Deep Bass Deformation Protection' enabled. After disabling them, I now realize what Bojcha has been complaining about.

BTW Hans, I see a parameter in STS file - 'Extra loudness - Very deep bass relative clipping level' - that's the 7th line from top. Does it have any affect at all? If yes, what values will bring more clipping to it?
Author:  hvz [ Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
Hi Phoenix,

You might need to clean up your STS file (create a new one) - many settings (including these) have been removed.

Actually, the clipper should change the sound as little as possible. Before, it did cut the bass quite a lot in several different processing steps. That's no longer the case - but if it has too much bass now I think you should change the multiband settings... Clipping it reduces punch! What happens if you don't use Loudness (keep it at 1.00)? Do you still get too much low bass? If so, it's the preset that needs to be fixed. If not, I don't know...

We're still working on the declipper integration...
Author:  JesseG [ Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
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Clipping it reduces punch!
There are understandably a lot of people confused about the word "punch" these days, because of all of the bedroom "producers" that happened in the last 15 years, using that word with the totally opposite meaning, and never having experienced a system capable of real punch.

The term "punch" is much older, really coming from 1970s in studios but even more so in live sound. It's describing literally what it feels like to get hit with high pressure sound wave transients. Usually bass, but into the midbass too. If you've ever been in front of a system capable of 140-150dB without any distortion, and played dynamic and squished music at the same loudness, then you know which one sounds wussy, and you know which one literally punches you in all over your body. ;)

Removing peaks is removing punch, which is exactly the opposite of what a lot of the new comers are using the word for. Part of that stems from a misunderstanding about comparing things at equal loudness.

Anyways.... </rant>
Author:  eldoradofm [ Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:57 pm ]
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Clipping it reduces punch!
There are understandably a lot of people confused about the word "punch" these days, because of all of the bedroom "producers" that happened in the last 15 years, using that word with the totally opposite meaning, and never having experienced a system capable of real punch.

The term "punch" is much older, really coming from 1970s in studios but even more so in live sound. It's describing literally what it feels like to get hit with high pressure sound wave transients. Usually bass, but into the midbass too. If you've ever been in front of a system capable of 140-150dB without any distortion, and played dynamic and squished music at the same loudness, then you know which one sounds wussy, and you know which one literally punches you in all over your body. ;)

Removing peaks is removing punch, which is exactly the opposite of what a lot of the new comers are using the word for. Part of that stems from a misunderstanding about comparing things at equal loudness.

Anyways.... </rant>
Ah, now i know how to test for punch. I need a new system that produces 140-150 dB without distortion.
Now i only have to inform the neighbors when i am gonna test it :D ;)
Author:  Bojcha [ Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
So, is it better for punch to go into hard clip or to go into compress or limit .. or combination of it ?
Author:  camclone [ Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
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Removing peaks is removing punch, which is exactly the opposite of what a lot of the new comers are using the word for. Part of that stems from a misunderstanding about comparing things at equal loudness.

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSIEEEEEEEE :) , removing peaks WAS removing punch on the 60s 70s 80s 90s and 00s ....

but... in 2011 .........THIS IS NOT HAPPENING :)
we can have a constant 75 khz deviation with dynamics , punch, or whatever and the mesurement still show 75 khz all the time .. ( or let's say 72 to 75 khz of fm deviation )
Omnia 9 did it
Stereotool lately ..did it!


I LIKE THIS FORUM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Author:  hvz [ Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stereo Tool 6.10
Jesse: Just got a message from Leif, declipper is now working completely in the Omnia 9!
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