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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2025 5:01 pm 

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Hello Processing Peoples!

10+ years ago I did a pre-set to see how basic you can get stereo tool but still get a fairly loud but not distorted sound

I decided to revisit that pre-set and see what I could get out of it now.

Seems a lot of people like that wall of sound.. well this is not that!

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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2025 9:24 pm 

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So far it sounds phenomenal. It is not aggressive, all tones are balanced. I just have to test tomorrow on the road whether it is tiring with headphones.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 3:20 am 
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It's a bit sizzly, but very dynamic and punchy. Pretty decent!

As for the "wall of sound" ... I wouldn't say people necessarily like it that way. It is my understanding that part of the reason engineers continue to use louder and more compressed processing is extended listenable range. A loud and compressed signal can easily mask static and carry cleanly as far out as the 50dBu contour.

Accomplishing this creatively is a lot of what gave stations of the past their instantly-recognizable qualities. Sadly it's not often engineers spend any time adjusting the processor anymore. It's mostly factory-preset-and-forget. It's not uncommon these days to hear multiple stations in a single market with the same sonic signature.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 5:13 am 

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It's a bit sizzly, but very dynamic and punchy. Pretty decent!

As for the "wall of sound" ... I wouldn't say people necessarily like it that way. It is my understanding that part of the reason engineers continue to use louder and more compressed processing is extended listenable range. A loud and compressed signal can easily mask static and carry cleanly as far out as the 50dBu contour.
This is true but it can also work against you on the absolute fringe, recently I have been doing some testing on hyper compressed FM and very low signals and I have found that too much compression makes signals "blended" and hard to listen to.
I found stations with mild processing easier to listen to at the same signal.. If you listen around on fmdx.org you should be able to find an example of it.

I think there is a balance between listener fatigue and trying cover some of the fringe area
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Accomplishing this creatively is a lot of what gave stations of the past their instantly-recognizable qualities. Sadly it's not often engineers spend any time adjusting the processor anymore. It's mostly factory-preset-and-forget. It's not uncommon these days to hear multiple stations in a single market with the same sonic signature.
I agree, The sonic signature of the station added to the "personality" of the station but There arent many real engineers left!
Most have moved on to industries that pay better or they have retired
The line between IT and Engineering is very blury these days and IT people have taken over engineering type roles.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 7:24 am 
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That is super interesting. Yeah, it's definitely about striking a balance. I'll have to do some experiments of my own on that.

Also thanks for mentioning fmdx.org ... I'd been looking for a way to listen to OTA FM radio in other states and even other countries to do processing comparisons. It appears there are more in Europe though.


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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 2:24 am 

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Well, I'm that kind of person who likes a well processed sound, not an excessively one. There are two kind of preset that really upsets me: the ones that promise not to "change" what the song was intended to be. If I want to listen to a song that doesn't feel different from the original recording, I prefer to listen to the original recording. The other kind is that one where the sound is so dense that it feels like an AM station from the 70's. No brilliance at all. I'm very glad that AM stations and that kind of choke sound are almost totally gone, I don't miss them at all. I like to listen to a great amount of bass and highs, making the song sound vivid, bright. I generally get apart from those presets mentioned before. This is just my opinion and I respect the divergent ones. For me "less" will always be "less" not "more" in terms of sound processing.


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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 4:47 am 

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Well, I'm that kind of person who likes a well processed sound, not an excessively one. There are two kind of preset that really upsets me: the ones that promise not to "change" what the song was intended to be. If I want to listen to a song that doesn't feel different from the original recording, I prefer to listen to the original recording. The other kind is that one where the sound is so dense that it feels like an AM station from the 70's. No brilliance at all. I'm very glad that AM stations and that kind of choke sound are almost totally gone, I don't miss them at all. I like to listen to a great amount of bass and highs, making the song sound vivid, bright. I generally get apart from those presets mentioned before. This is just my opinion and I respect the divergent ones. For me "less" will always be "less" not "more" in terms of sound processing.
I agree in a way.. processing should compliment the music not change it.

I look at less is more like a pizza, too much toppings can be bad. too much cheese or anchovies turns it into something horrible
Its the same in processing a little bit of everything is good.. too much clipping or even compression turn it into something horrible

My general rule of thumb is between 6-8db of dynamic range is a good target.. anything under that I find hard to listen to.


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