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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:44 am 
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No, 75 kHz, not µs! That has something to do with the peak level that's going into your transmitter. If that's too high you might get all kinds of weird behavior on different receivers (distortion, loss of signal = silence, ...)


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:48 am 
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No, 75 kHz, not µs! That has something to do with the peak level that's going into your transmitter. If that's too high you might get all kinds of weird behavior on different receivers (distortion, loss of signal = silence, ...)
oh.... i am not sure... :( about 75Khz...
All the comparison on Beta50 vs 51 about highs is correct.

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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:42 pm 
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oh.... i am not sure... :( about 75Khz...
All the comparison on Beta50 vs 51 about highs is correct.
It is very important though.

What do you mean by 'is correct'? Are they the same or is BETA50 better as you wrote earlier?


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:05 pm 
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oh.... i am not sure... :( about 75Khz...
All the comparison on Beta50 vs 51 about highs is correct.
It is very important though.

What do you mean by 'is correct'? Are they the same or is BETA50 better as you wrote earlier?
Beta50 is better on Highs. more clarity.

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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:28 pm 
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Beta50 is better on Highs. more clarity.
If you don't change the Strict setting, BETA50 and BETA51 are 100% identical. Or are you comparing against the special build "BETA50-michi"?


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:39 pm 
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not the michis... i compare the Beta50 same preset with beta51...
I change the Highs vs Lows from 400 to 800, to 350~ to 750~
and i had to apply Allow louder highs to +10000 (+5000 last preset) to make highs sound similar...

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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:41 am 
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Hmm, been archiving all beta releases since last I checked in. Did try the last 3 in particular, namely: beta50, beta50[michi] and beta51.

Well Chris is right about the depleted highs in beta51. Undoubtedly beta50, to me, sounds better(FM Europe Preset minus FM processing)But beta50 has perceptible variation in volume levels unlike beta51. The latter is rock solid stable. Couldn't detect pumping in any music genre.
It's just that the absence of highs in beta51 makes the bass and lows sound dull.
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i had to apply Allow louder highs to +10000 (+5000 last preset) to make highs sound similar...
Chris are you using the Standalone version or the Winamp DSP? Reason I ask is because I've been using the VST plugin version. And sadly in my case the Allow Louder Highs doesnot seem to have any effect. :(

Hans, is it that different versions of the same beta release could sound different? I mean controls would have varying effects?

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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:01 am 
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Odd. You didn't turn 'Strict' on I suppose? Because then there IS a big difference - and that would also explain the more constant sound.

I installed BETA50 here, then selected 'FM Loud Europe' preset and played a track. I then did the same with BETA51 (Strict kept OFF), and compared the waveform - and they are completely identical.


Edit: To be 100% sure, I just did the same test again: Installed BETA50, played a track, installed BETA51, played the same track and subtracted the two results from each other to get the difference. And that's complete silence...

Are you using some other setting(s) that I'm not testing this way? Or did you turn on the Strict filtering?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:02 am 
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b50 and b51 are indentical to me too.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 5.02
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:10 am 
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Odd. You didn't turn 'Strict' on I suppose? Because then there IS a big difference - and that would also explain the more constant sound.
Tell you what Hans, actually you may be right! I enabled Strict On, and difference is proabably imperceptible now. However, the trouble is since the sts file has no provision for this setting, the VST host while rendering reverts to defaults and only loads the settings applicable from the sts file. So that explains why the same track sounds different while playing live thru VST host than the final rendered one.

However the Allow Louder Highs slider seems ineffective in VST(beta51). Not certain about other versions.

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