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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 7.72
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:18 pm 
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If it's a bug in ST it would have to be at least every 45 ms. And it should get faster or disappear completely if you change the Latency setting.

The scary thing here is that it didn't happen with 7.70, if that wouldn't be the case I would immediately blame something else (the audio goes through a very long list of filters).


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 7.72
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:25 pm 

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So, the thing is NOT to use this buggy shit (at least for now) . Yes, this windows will be cleaned from the most bad bugs , but don`t use it now to complicate Hans .
Most issues centered on around the onboard graphics, it's the first issue I've had with the sound card. The computer is almost 5 years old and has to have some parts replaced (such as fans (getting loud), power supply (fan going bad), hard disk(bad sectors)) and few upgrades like the sound card (onboard was crap) and blu-ray burner (storage issue). It's basically on 24/7 (only the monitor goes into standby) and a lot of demanding tasks are done periodically. That's the age factor. Hopefully, it's not so old that it goes boom in a big mushroom cloud of smoke.

As for Windows 10 being buggy, I can attest to that a bit. It's new, it's gonna have bugs. Not the wisest of me to upgrade like that on my primary PC and I knew it.

I'm sorry if complicated anyone.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 7.72
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:54 pm 
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If it's a bug in ST it would have to be at least every 45 ms. And it should get faster or disappear completely if you change the Latency setting.

The scary thing here is that it didn't happen with 7.70, if that wouldn't be the case I would immediately blame something else (the audio goes through a very long list of filters).

It not happen in 7.70 , but this can be the same thing as he said ( after some time he cannot reproduce and have other issues) . So i guess it`s from the "new" windows :)
I think we wait a little and see if he report again something, that IS reproduce-able. .


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 7.72
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:17 pm 

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If it's a bug in ST it would have to be at least every 45 ms. And it should get faster or disappear completely if you change the Latency setting.

The scary thing here is that it didn't happen with 7.70, if that wouldn't be the case I would immediately blame something else (the audio goes through a very long list of filters).

It not happen in 7.70 , but this can be the same thing as he said ( after some time he cannot reproduce and have other issues) . So i guess it`s from the "new" windows :)
I think we wait a little and see if he report again something, that IS reproduce-able. .
I see it 3 ways with this computer giving what I know about it:

- If things get less buggy over time = Windows 10 issues
- If things are staying the same and it's always some oddball problem = compatibility issue
- If things get more and more worse = hardware issue.

Hopefully the first. Electronics sometimes just do weird things for no obvious reason. It can be as simple as turning on the TV and displays nothing but garbled images. You turn it off for a while. Repairman has a look and finds no problems, the TV never does it again either. For all you know a microcontroller may have just malfunction from a freak and unusual thing happening to it. With a machine as a complex as a computer, just about anything is possible, especially the more configurations and different hardware there is out there.

P.S. I hope next time I find something that is reproducible if I encounter another bug.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 7.72
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:58 am 

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All system programs ruled out, all hardware ruled out.

The only other possibility was that thunderstorm with one close-by lightning strike that was gone an hour before using the computer which was on and running at the time. I put the system on UPS battery for 30 minutes after the strike and removed the ethernet cable (both do not reproduce it). The computer was never restarted after the storm either.

I've only ever seen that affect radio reception (clicks in FM depending on the type of lightning and crashes all the time in AM) in the past. Probably messed up a chip temporary in the computer. There is no background tasks that run on Sunday nights as the system is set to be manual with everything.

It's said a single strike can have enough energy of an atomic bomb.

I have my complete doubts that's was happened.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 7.72
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:39 pm 
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HUGE BUG. FOUND it gets a NAN exception and basicaly sets the gain reduction in the MB to 0 causing huge problems.... (basically the clipper is always on 100% clipping because of the pre-amp gain)

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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 7.72
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:47 pm 
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And how to reproduce it ?
Tell us ( and to Hans in first place) , what did you do , and may be some steps , so we can try to reproduce it.


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 7.72
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:30 pm 
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Yup, need more info! Does it happen while just playing audio, or were you changing settings? If it happened while just playing audio I need your settings so I can try to reproduce it. So, did you get silence? Can you reproduce it? If so, can you try turning filters off (from end to start) to see where it originates from?


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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 7.72
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:16 am 
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Yup, need more info! Does it happen while just playing audio, or were you changing settings? If it happened while just playing audio I need your settings so I can try to reproduce it. So, did you get silence? Can you reproduce it? If so, can you try turning filters off (from end to start) to see where it originates from?
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And how to reproduce it ?
Tell us ( and to Hans in first place) , what did you do , and may be some steps , so we can try to reproduce it.
Sorry but I had to go really fast and now i am back and ready to give explanations...

While adjusting the ND first - Second and third band frequencies I got an NAN output (but it runs again and again because the exception window won't close if I press close). The exception window says "EXCEPTION OCCURRED IN DisplayTwo : Got an NAN input for black GATE".

After that point both multi-bands are stuck at 0dB gain reduction. This causes the audio after the pre-amp gain to go directly to the clipper.

EDIT 1 : It happened again but this time the GUI just froze and then set the frequencies to random values .

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 Post subject: Re: Stereo Tool 7.72
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:08 am 
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Confirm it !! From default frequencies in ND , i start to move band 2 and then band 3 ... voila !
See picture . And yes, something is happen with the MB . Clipper gets crazy and starts to clipping very hard :)

Edit: Strange , after second time of repeating this , NAN stop to appear. Will keep trying to make same steps to see.
Ok, i got again this window and error , when keep moving the frequency bands . I start to move next bands ( 4, 5....) and again pop up!


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