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Track complicated, worthy of the "torture test"
Lots of bass and highs, with little presence of mids. At times the opposite, difficult process, with the current MB ST. Unavoidable clipping in the MB, in all bands.
Anyway, no problems observed in the presets greater Euphoria! and BlueSky.
Have you seen you?

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by GAP
"Less is More" (Bob Katz)

That was my hole point....
I love House music ... so that is answer why all my preset have more bass. Also it's hardest to control such loud bass kick bursts and to still sound good. This one also has that constant bass which 'kills' MB (constantly push them down).

Quastion1 is... what is smart to do, to still have that bass but in other tracks where there is no such strong bass, not to boost.
Question2 is... what to do to make mids to be not so pushed up but in other tracks not be pushed down.

Sometimes i think MB works vice-versa.

One feature of house music, is the excess of bass and great lack of mids, so that the process should not change much this "balance".

But still, the MB to my knowledge, has some conceptual errors based on the explanation of the Help of ST (http://help.stereotool.com/6.00/multiba ... iter.shtml).
Mainly it is very difficult to understand that the point A ("The target maximum output level for this frequency band"), that
more than one compressor is a AGC. Also on the on the basis that that reads "Low volume sounds are amplified, high-volume sounds are de-amplified" and the compression curve does not look like a compressor.

A compressor does not change the gain (gain = 1) to a threshold value, from there applied to the signal gain reduction based
on the value of ratio (input: output) how many dB input to output are needed increases by 1 dB.
The wiki can explain it better (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_level_compression) or (http://www.rane.com/pdf/ranenotes/Dynam ... essors.pdf).
With a compressor, this could be more stable and controlled.
With current ST, using the Bass AGC with slow times to not affect the dynamics of the bass (I have seen in my presets)
This part is difficult, but what I try to do is find a "target output" of the bands of mids balanced to what you are looking for and then look up and down times rather too slow to affect the dynamics are not without their reach using the Clipping MB continuously.
I think another change in the remodeling of the MB, would change the clipping individual band for a multiband limiter, then just enter the clipping in less bands. This should be more appropriate.
The biggest problem is to increase the gain when the signal is below the point "A" (AGC compressor).

It would be good to discuss this with Hans and his idea of the new MB. Also think about adding a side-channel to the MB and can use a parametric EQ for bass in this.

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by GAP
"Less is More" (Bob Katz)

Parametric EQ before MB is 100% good idea.. you can exactly tune what and how you wand to boost.

Actually Hans's graphic is understandable. Problem is that compression is not working like that graph.

First and recently problem i found, is fast speeds around target level. Also slow speeds out of target level. That problem is also in AGC!
Second, is bands are too much narrowed. This is also connected with 3rd problem and that is too much bands...
Bands are so narrowed that they are ready for 20 Bands multiband! So after some quick thinking, current MB will not work almost any better with 5 or 6 bands, for example.

My question 1 and 2 form post before is that i want that to happen in same time!
Also Bass AGC is not a solution. I know that will actually do nothing. Just another "moving" filter. bass AGC, remove bass - EQ, Add Bass - MB, remover Bass, Bass Boost, Add Bass... and?

btw how this sounds? http://www23.zippyshare.com/v/84822438/file.html
trying something new 'lol'

According to have fewer bands between 5 and 7 I think it would be good. And if if it would help change the number according to the preset, the better.

With AGC Bass, actually, I know exactly where it is located (should be pre-MB and after AGC), the idea is to mantenerun appropriate level at the entrance to the rest then you always have the same level of bass. This should be balanced, as the track played.

The sound sample shared, it sounds good, good bass, mids stable only improve slightly the definition of the highs (seem too much clipping) (Changes in the Euphoria! preset??)

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"Less is More" (Bob Katz)

no, just something i am trying..

New version with minor changes, a bit tuning in the bass.
@Bojcha: you think?

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"Less is More" (Bob Katz)

I like how preset sounds. Just lack of bass in some tracks seem like standard problem.

Maybe i would just lower 3rd Band "soft limit" to flatten that area. It stands out a bit.

Bojcha, thanks for your opinion, which is very valuable to me.

The third band, mainly around 200 Hz, is a bit complicated to find the ideal setting. If you spend a little, there are topics that are very noticeable and if it lacks the bass does not sound so great.

True, I've been a little high that band, got a bit now.

I've also made ​​some adjustments to the ABDP, trying to be less "sensitive", I think this could help the lack of bass on some tracks (where there is often vocal presence).

I was thinking about an alternative in the ABDP, instead of setting the "maximum reduction of bass", to be able to adjust the desired highest level clipping. Which is dynamically calculated as a predictive and act with sensitivity exists.
It's like turning the problem, but to achieve the objective (dB clipping of bass).

Is only an idea ...

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"Less is More" (Bob Katz)

Easier for me to edit it and upload... will try to edit as little as possible.

..edit:
http://www65.zippyshare.com/v/63960700/file.html