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Author: | hvz [ Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 10.11 BETA |
Version 10.11 is released! We're going to continue at 10.12, with the new compressor turned on again. |
Author: | Anthony96922 [ Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 10.11 BETA |
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So it's even more extreme than what the current calibration offers???????? I originally made this when I had a 15 euro test transmitter, and I could make that flat with this calibration. I've used it once on a real station that had a very broken STL, but I've never seen any station that needed more than the standard RC correction since then.
Well, according to the thread I created, it seems I am not the only one who has a terrible FM Transmitter with tilt that cannot be fixed with current implementation. 2 companies selling similar overshoots. One of them with TERRIBLE support (which I had), one with better (but not always the greatest according to @Anthony96922). Does that count as being scammed? Quote: Quote: Fair... HD isn't a great example... since it already sounds squeaky. I got used to the high-pitched stereo squeakness. here is FM: https://youtu.be/T-5-SonLY3M On Stereotool, it doesn't sound spacious & it sounds limited in stereo. It's like I put a hard brick in it. Is that a better explanation? It's like bland. I said it sounded squeaky because nothing sounds strong? it is the same way throughout the whole song in my opinion Is Matrix mode not something you planning on adding to the new AGC? |
Author: | stef007 [ Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 10.11 BETA |
Thanks Hanz for the resolving quickly the problem with watchcat |
Author: | TheDaChicken [ Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 10.11 BETA |
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Have you tried using FM calibration? It's not perfect, but my signal is a lot better than before.
Yeah, I have. First thing I tried. It so bad, I can't tell a difference.
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Author: | Anthony96922 [ Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 10.11 BETA |
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Have you tried using FM calibration? It's not perfect, but my signal is a lot better than before.
Yeah, I have. First thing I tried. It so bad, I can't tell a difference.
For every frequency: 1. Set the tone generator to that frequency (you don't have to get it exact). 2. Use the volume slider to flatten out any "bowing" and the phase slider to correct any tilting. Once the waveform is as flat as you can get it... 3. Move on to the next frequency and repeat. Once calibration is done do a sweep test to ensure the signal is flat throughout. Hope this helps! =] |
Author: | MrKlorox [ Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 10.11 BETA |
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Version 10.11 is released! We're going to continue at 10.12, with the new compressor turned on again.
Nice! Quick turn-around tackling those 10.10 issues.So, I have a use case that I'm not sure how to handle, and I think the 'correct' solution may need to be implemented by you guys. I'm interested in a slider/balance fader between inputs 1 and 2 available when used in combine (add) mode. I realize I could raise the Input Gain of each and balance that, but that affects bypass loudness even if offset by negative preamp gain. But I think optimally a slider that attenuates one of the inputs when all the way to one side, and equally loud when centered, would be the best solution. This way one could even use something like Autohotkey to script a single midi knob or fader to do the balancing. Would this be a reasonable addition? |
Author: | Bojcha [ Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 10.11 BETA |
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Version 10.11 is released! We're going to continue at 10.12, with the new compressor turned on again.
Nice! Quick turn-around tackling those 10.10 issues.So, I have a use case that I'm not sure how to handle, and I think the 'correct' solution may need to be implemented by you guys. I'm interested in a slider/balance fader between inputs 1 and 2 available when used in combine (add) mode. I realize I could raise the Input Gain of each and balance that, but that affects bypass loudness even if offset by negative preamp gain. But I think optimally a slider that attenuates one of the inputs when all the way to one side, and equally loud when centered, would be the best solution. This way one could even use something like Autohotkey to script a single midi knob or fader to do the balancing. Would this be a reasonable addition? And about FM calibration, me asked several times for Calibration PEQ, but Hans said that is not needed. But strange he kept current one wich is super narrow but kinda still usefull. And fun fact about Square test tone, after 4.8kHz becomes sine-tone. |
Author: | hvz [ Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 10.11 BETA |
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Version 10.11 is released! We're going to continue at 10.12, with the new compressor turned on again.
Nice! Quick turn-around tackling those 10.10 issues.So, I have a use case that I'm not sure how to handle, and I think the 'correct' solution may need to be implemented by you guys. I'm interested in a slider/balance fader between inputs 1 and 2 available when used in combine (add) mode. I realize I could raise the Input Gain of each and balance that, but that affects bypass loudness even if offset by negative preamp gain. But I think optimally a slider that attenuates one of the inputs when all the way to one side, and equally loud when centered, would be the best solution. This way one could even use something like Autohotkey to script a single midi knob or fader to do the balancing. Would this be a reasonable addition? And about FM calibration, me asked several times for Calibration PEQ, but Hans said that is not needed. But strange he kept current one wich is super narrow but kinda still usefull. So what is it that you cannot do with the current calibration? I kept it in because the code exists (I wrote it at the time because that horrible transmitter was the only thing that I had), and if someone really needs it it's at least still there. But given how bad that transmitter was (phase effects of more than 90 degrees, some frequencies in the middle of the range needed to be reduced by more than 9 dB while others needed to be boosted), I don't know what more could ever be needed. Quote:
And fun fact about Square test tone, after 4.8kHz becomes sine-tone.
A real square wave will constantly show massive overshoots, so we used a smoothed square wave. It's difficult to properly generate a square wave at higher frequencies with this smoothing. And since the main goal is to find tilt, it's not really needed on higher frequencies either.
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Author: | NRG [ Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 10.11 BETA |
Quote: Quote: Quote: Nice! Quick turn-around tackling those 10.10 issues. So, I have a use case that I'm not sure how to handle, and I think the 'correct' solution may need to be implemented by you guys. I'm interested in a slider/balance fader between inputs 1 and 2 available when used in combine (add) mode. I realize I could raise the Input Gain of each and balance that, but that affects bypass loudness even if offset by negative preamp gain. But I think optimally a slider that attenuates one of the inputs when all the way to one side, and equally loud when centered, would be the best solution. This way one could even use something like Autohotkey to script a single midi knob or fader to do the balancing. Would this be a reasonable addition? And about FM calibration, me asked several times for Calibration PEQ, but Hans said that is not needed. But strange he kept current one wich is super narrow but kinda still usefull. So what is it that you cannot do with the current calibration? I kept it in because the code exists (I wrote it at the time because that horrible transmitter was the only thing that I had), and if someone really needs it it's at least still there. But given how bad that transmitter was (phase effects of more than 90 degrees, some frequencies in the middle of the range needed to be reduced by more than 9 dB while others needed to be boosted), I don't know what more could ever be needed. Quote:
And fun fact about Square test tone, after 4.8kHz becomes sine-tone.
A real square wave will constantly show massive overshoots, so we used a smoothed square wave. It's difficult to properly generate a square wave at higher frequencies with this smoothing. And since the main goal is to find tilt, it's not really needed on higher frequencies either.
I agree with a lot of Bojcha's point, I'm not saying that the current calibration isn't good, but with Leif's method in BAO it's really child's play, with the "QUICK SWEEP" and "COMBO" tests in 30 seconds you have calibrated everything on your transmitter, with "COMBO PHASE" you adjust if there are phase problems, the "PEQ" helps and facilitates the work of correcting the frequency response. Best regards |
Author: | hvz [ Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Stereo Tool 10.11 BETA |
Quote: Quote: Quote: Input Balance was wrong since it's added, Many pointed to that long time ago, but Hans never fixed it, and if i remember, he said that's how balance should work. And about FM calibration, me asked several times for Calibration PEQ, but Hans said that is not needed. But strange he kept current one wich is super narrow but kinda still usefull. So what is it that you cannot do with the current calibration? I kept it in because the code exists (I wrote it at the time because that horrible transmitter was the only thing that I had), and if someone really needs it it's at least still there. But given how bad that transmitter was (phase effects of more than 90 degrees, some frequencies in the middle of the range needed to be reduced by more than 9 dB while others needed to be boosted), I don't know what more could ever be needed. Quote:
And fun fact about Square test tone, after 4.8kHz becomes sine-tone.
A real square wave will constantly show massive overshoots, so we used a smoothed square wave. It's difficult to properly generate a square wave at higher frequencies with this smoothing. And since the main goal is to find tilt, it's not really needed on higher frequencies either.
I agree with a lot of Bojcha's point, I'm not saying that the current calibration isn't good, but with Leif's method in BAO it's really child's play, with the "QUICK SWEEP" and "COMBO" tests in 30 seconds you have calibrated everything on your transmitter, with "COMBO PHASE" you adjust if there are phase problems, the "PEQ" helps and facilitates the work of correcting the frequency response. Best regards |
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