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 Post subject: Stereo Tool 10.01 BETA
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:26 pm 
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Latest version - Beta 10.02-040 (Jan 27 2023)

Please note: There was a bug in earlier beta's that affected the loading and saving of RDS data. That bug has been fixed in this version, but that means that RDS data saved in the last few beta's won't be loaded.

Downloads
Changes/bugfixes
  • New GUI: Solved DSP plugin issues in FFDShow (most issues solved, there's a memory leak when you open the GUI in "Invisible" mode and then go to Visible).
  • New I/O layer: Solved streaming reopen issue: Moved opening from Start to Open (which makes more sense anyway)
  • New I/O layer: Solved "Start" error issue: If Start causes an issue, we reopen.
  • Added "Difference" mode to equalizer.

TODO's
  • BELLEN KORTING
  • Web interface menu's must auto-close
  • RDS live data visible in web interface (at least for STXtreme)
  • STXtreme: Read AES frequencies from registry
  • STXtreme: Popups are still too small
  • STXtreme: Make dark gray lighter?
  • Pens
  • Get rid of word "Transmitter" for FM/AM everywhere
  • Add Declipper presets
  • Check and add Declipper installers to download page
  • setFaultyValue for text boxes for wrong passwords for example - check with Tom how to use
  • New GUI: Do we want persistent display of I/O levels?
  • New GUI CPU usage - why is it higher?
  • New GUI: Put all presets in new preset mechanism
  • Can we enable FM Calibration in "Ignore high frequencies" mode? Not easily
  • Add Jack to new I/O framework
  • New GUI preset load/save must be made clearer TOM
  • New GUI preset selection of what to load/save must be made clearer, preferably with checkboxes TOM
  • New GUI preset exporting must support selection as well. TOM

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  • AGC: Figure out what people don't like before compressor redesign
  • Add check for running ST multiple times; make switchable if we want to allow it or ask if you really want to start if it already runs or something.
  • Matt: Picking HD target output, make sure separately processed is default, and FM diversity delay (checkbox + slider)?
  • Matt: "Limit normal output instead", "Prepare for lossy" should all be available everywhere. Should default to ON. "Deepmhasize highs for normal output" needs to be there because HD codec tends to add highs. Pre-emphasize highs slider needs to get a clearer description! Something with avoid overshoots. Basically a sidechain EQ. "Add highs to sidechain".
  • Matt: UECP must be more easily accessible, too deep now. Needs real-time monitor to show PS + RT texts on that page.
  • Matt: Output 1 won't output 192 kHz. Outputs 2/3/4 does. Setting for 48/192 is too well hidden.
  • Matt: The Intel units see 2 displays connected.
  • Matt: FM+AM
  • Matt: PS on front screen?
  • Matt: Name of preset in web interface doesn't update.
  • Check EQMB_SCOPES
  • New I/O framework: Add extra latency to plugin input so the input 2 to LQLL can be instantaneous.
  • Add Declipper NEW_GUI presets
  • Check Bojcha's good bass HPF settings (18200 Hz, ignore high frequencies, 48 kHz, 35 Hz HPF)
  • libVLC with FDK???
  • Convert everything to new presets
  • Enable streaming in STXtreme, for testing.
  • Add PPM to STXtreme
  • Run PPM tests in STXtreme BUSY
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10.02 BETA038 (Jan 22 2023)

Downloads
Changes/bugfixes
  • DSP plugin hang-on-close fixed.
  • DSP plugin loud audio at start when using REAL I/O since BETA036 fixed.
  • BATENBURG IMAGE
  • LOADING AND DOWNLOADING PRESETS IS BROKEN!
  • PI CODE LAST DIGIT GETS CUT OFF IN WEB INTERFACE
  • LOADING OF RDS DATA IS BROKEN, INCOMPATIBLE WITH OLDER VERSIONS - FIXING WILL MAKE IT IGNORE THOSE FROM THE LAST BETA'S
  • Update Matt's preset descriptions
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10.02 BETA036 (Jan 20 2023)

Downloads
Changes/bugfixes
  • Inverted phase on one channel detection: Added threshold setting to make it more sensitive, it currently won't switch on most stereo music.
  • New GUI: Solved VST problem in hosts that resize before asking us the size.
  • New GUI: Solved VST problem in hosts that don't listen to resize commands (didn't display anything anymore).
  • New GUI: VST host size workaround for bug in OBS. It will still open a too big window on the first start; if you close and re-open the window it's ok, and it doesn't get bigger anymore.
  • Still an issue with pre-emphasis when the GUI isn't shown?? Update_local_parSet_PARAM_DSO_WinampOutput_Enabled must update Enabled() state, for both VST and non-VST. Or we need to find a way to check if things are being used.
  • Auto-save changes made on the front panel just like in the web interface.
  • Solved Winamp (and probably also VST and Generic) crashes on startup when using "REAL I/O" when audio was playing.
  • Solved Winamp crash on exit when audio was still playing.
  • Solved plugin normal output buffer warning when not using "REAL I/O".
  • STXtreme: Verify that everything fits on the display -> Made it slightly bigger, top bar as well.
  • STXtreme: Made AES/EBU frequency change apply button only visible when changes are requested.
  • Renamed a new parameters (more to follow).
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10.02 BETA035 (Jan 18 2023)

Downloads
FIRST POST WITH NEW GUI EVERYWHERE - so don't remove these links
Changes/bugfixes
  • ALL BUILDS CONVERTED TO NEW GUI
  • ALL BUILDS CONVERTED TO NEW I/O LAYER (except those using Jack)
  • Move GML/Generic build to new I/O framework compiles - fixed AUDIO version
  • Show Dante IP address in GUI.
  • SD card image read-only. Post on site
  • Add silence go-to level to Bass EQ just like in Auto EQ.
  • Intrasonics - run remaining tests
  • New GUI: Persistent display of CPU, buffer fillings
  • RDS: Move ECC en LCC to non-Advanced RDS.
  • Split RDS from other FM settings.
  • Make debug output for parameter tree, to replace old GUI for debugging.
  • Added RDS PS display to STXtreme and new GUI top bar
  • Add Kantar and Intrasonics pages in STX (not yet usable)
  • ST-Enterprise: Intrasonics watermarking certified!
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10.02 BETA031 (Jan 10 2023)

Downloads
LAST POST WITH OLD GUI - so don't remove these links
Changes/bugfixes
  • STXtreme: Enable Nielsen PPM
  • Reduced initial (startup) memory usage of NEW_GUI by 52 MB
  • Code cleanup: Use internal model->Common in ParSet
  • Stream (via VLC) is apparently an option on Linux now - shouldn't be viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32883&p=73124#p73124
  • New GUI: GUI gets bigger every time it's opened in OBS viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32703&p=73091#p73091
  • Check startup pre-emphasis issue mentioned here: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32702&p=73104#p73104 - solved; value was not updated without GUI updates after the sound card logic had executed.
  • New GUI memory usage: Scope/Spectrum memory pool
  • Moved Generic plugin to new I/O layer - partially done
  • Bug fix: Previous NEW_GUI builds could crash on startup, reporting a 0xc0000374 exception.
  • New GUI: Reduced memory usage (by 120 MB if you go through all the pages)
  • Test ASIO reopen like at B&G - No issue elsewhere...
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10.02 BETA028 (Dec 25 2022)

Downloads
Changes/bugfixes
  • BIG (risky!) rewrite of how different plugins access their host information.
  • Fixed crash when using old GUI with new web interface, and viewing scopes with declipping
  • STXtreme: New SSD image resolution support
  • STXtreme: Front panel I/O page, make separate subpages, and add sample rate and AES/EBU settings
  • STXtreme: Added and tuned front panel preset selection; you never have to scroll through the info to load a preset.
  • STXtreme: Added 2-finger scrolling (currently only affects preset list).
  • Put new Matt presets in NEW_GUI presets
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10.02 BETA026 (Dec 20 2022)

Downloads
Changes/bugfixes
  • Some memory usage optimizations caused crashes in plugin versions.
  • Slightly reduced memory usage a bit further.
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10.02 BETA025 (Dec 20 2022)

Downloads
Changes/bugfixes
  • The earlier memory usage optimizations have caused some issues that could cause crashes when switching between presets (apparently that happened only on Linux). Solved now.
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10.02 BETA024 (Dec 18 2022)

Downloads
Replace other links by BETA1002-024


Changes/bugfixes
  • Memory usage reduced by another 48 MB (in DSP plugin). Stand alone is reduced even more (not sure vs the previous build, but it's 158 MB lower than the previous release; it's lower than it has been in over 4.5 years).
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10.02 BETA023 (Dec 17 2022)

Downloads
Replace other links by BETA1002-023


Changes/bugfixes
  • Reduced memory usage, optimized look up tables using a lot of bit fiddling. This should also improve performance and reduce cache misses. (Actually measured effect on our test systems is very small, in the order of 1%)
  • Fixed possible crash in last beta's when using them without LQLL enabled.
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10.02 BETA021 (Dec 14 2022)

Downloads
Replace other links by BETA1002-021


Changes/bugfixes
  • VST plugins are working again
  • Blocking behavior for new I/O layer in plugins added.
  • New I/O layer: Made "Use real I/O" in plugins blocking if no other outputs are enabled, and fixed blocking behavior (works well now when writing to file). Very tricky change
  • Bad sound card selection seems to open Microsoft Sound Mapper? Yes, load was ignoring unknown values.
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10.02 BETA019 (Dec 10 2022)

Downloads
Replace other links by BETA1002-019


Changes/bugfixes
  • Smal memory usage reduction for builds that include LQLL
  • Make LQLL in Winamp and VST allocate only when needed. Reduced memory usage by 208 MB versus earlier binaries (it's still a bit higher than in version 9.92).
  • New GUI: Improved Linux window closing behavior (could crash in last few beta's).
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10.01 BETA018 (Dec 9 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace version number by 1002-018

Changes/bugfixes
  • Reduced memory usage (Stereo Tool stand alone by 39 MB, STXtreme by 340 MB).
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10.01 BETA016 (Dec 6 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace version number by 1002-016

Changes/bugfixes
  • New I/O layer: Requested PA block size might be off-by-one due to rounding; 481 is stable and 480 isn't when using "suggested" (Bojcha) -> No, behavior is just weird
  • New I/O layer: Was not working at all when explicitly setting block sizes in BETA015.
  • Check VAC out 3 in multi-instance with NielsenTest test 25 settings. -> Appears to be ok now, no idea what happened, let's wait for further feedback.
  • AES67 and libVLC inputs were not notifying the framework that there was new audio available.
  • New I/O layer: Made "Use real I/O" in plugins blocking, this is *probably* what you want. Not sure.
  • Update Declipper plugin to new GUI - done, except for presets
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10.01 BETA015 (Dec 5 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace version number by 1002-015

Changes/bugfixes
  • New I/O layer: There's still something wrong when the buffer drops from > 100% to < 0% very quickly; M stays at 2 instead of 0.5.
  • New I/O layer: Buffer size calculation on initial startup is wrong; when we discover what the block size is we need to set it to the center.
  • Performed PPM tests
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10.01 BETA013 (Dec 3 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace version number by 1002-013

Changes/bugfixes
  • New I/O framework: All outputs were accidentally made blocking in BETA013. May have caused weird behavior, buffer underruns on other outputs etc.
  • Fixed Declipper plugin crashes
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10.01 BETA012 (Dec 3 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace version number in links with 1002-012

Changes/bugfixes
  • New I/O framework: VLC output didn't respond to changes in settings
  • New I/O framework: VLC input had no reopen delay, kept retrying way too fast
  • New I/O framework: If the buffer ended up in the area where it could be either too full or empty, it could get stuck there.
  • New I/O framework: Enabled resampling in new I/O mode when Auto is selected regardless of buffer sizes.
  • New I/O framework: Added blocking output, for plugin FM outputs. We can enable it elsewhere it needed (?).
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10.01 BETA011 (Dec 2 2022)

Downloads
  • Change version number to 1002-011

Changes/bugfixes
  • Add new I/O to VST3
  • Fixed bug in new I/O layer that caused empty buffers to be handled incorrectly (as if they were full!)
  • Add NEW_GUI to Mac builds
  • Add NEW_GUI to Mac Enterprise builds. GUI is now enabled by default, use --no-gui to use it without a GUI like before.
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10.01 BETA009 (Nov 30 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace version number by 1002-009

Changes/bugfixes
  • Add new I/O to VST2 plugin (slightly modified initialization for DSP as well, to add support for multiple Plugin devices)
  • Show sample rate in plugins
  • New GUI: Scaling of Spectrum had off-by-one error
  • Made performance display meters more usable (they respond faster)
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10.01 BETA008 (Nov 29 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace version number by 1002-008

Changes/bugfixes
  • Make block sizes in new I/O layer the same as in old one. -> At the same settings it's 1 I/O block lower
  • Added ASIO to DSP plugin.
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10.01 BETA007 (Nov 26 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace version number in links by 1002-007

Changes/bugfixes
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10.01 BETA006 (Nov 25 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace link with 1002-006

Changes/bugfixes
  • Winamp plugin: Added new I/O framework and The BIMP! (old GUI; one setting is missing in the new GUI). See viewtopic.php?f=14&t=33391&p=72886#p72886
  • Fix plugin crash in SAM Broadcaster on startup since BETA004
  • Update Winamp build to new I/O layer
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10.01 BETA005 (Nov 22 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace link by 1002-005

Changes/bugfixes
  • New I/O layer: Increased buffer sizes for MME/Wasapi/Kernel Streaming by 1 block, since without that it was almost always causing hiccups at buffer size 0.
  • New I/O layer: Increased target buffer filling for synchronization by 1 block, making it identical (I think) to the old framework, and more logical as well.
  • RDS: Restored old RadioText A/B behavior for non-UECP inputs to how it worked before version 9.92/10.00; new behavior was causing issues.
  • Web interface: Some checkboxes need to be displayed inverted (internal value on means off and vice versa), fixed.
  • Web interface: Fixed crash in BETA004.
  • Absolute Highs: Small bug fix that may have some (minor) impact on the audio.
  • Fixed Nielsen PPM startup behavior (after restarting ST-Enterprise it could show an error message).
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10.01 BETA004 (Nov 20 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace link with 1002-004

Changes/bugfixes
  • [*]Updated Windows stand alone builds (32 and 64 bit, old and new GUI) to new I/O layer. This should not cause any changes in behavior, except that Input 2 synchronization now works.
    [*]Partially updated Winamp build to new I/O layer.
    [*]New GUI builds: Initial metering overview screen added.
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10.01 BETA003 (Nov 15 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace link by 1002-003

Changes/bugfixes
  • [*]MicroMPX: /dev/ttyACM0 didn't work in BETA001
    [*]MicroMPX: Linux version NMEA timeout increased to avoid EOF errors in Brazil (fewer sats?)
    [*]Bug fix: R128 multi-step processing didn't ignore relative normal output level and pre limiter level, could cause infinite loops because it never reached the target level.
    [*]STXtreme SSD image!
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10.01 BETA002 (Nov 12 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace version numbers by 1001-002

Changes/bugfixes
  • [*]STXtreme: Always open front screen on home page after restarts
    [*]STXtreme: Add setting for signal selection for HD output
    [*]STXtreme: Extra input: Set OFF as default
    [*]MicroMPX: Our USB receiver hardware has a different /dev/tty name on Linux, added to pulldown.
    [*]Auto-save after changes in web interface only saved after the web interface was closed.
    [*]Web interface updated to FontAwesome v6, and optimized for size (new web interface only sends 315 kB of data now).
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10.01 BETA001 (Nov 9 2022)

Downloads
  • Replace version numbers by 1001-001

Changes/bugfixes
  • [*]Login mechanism now enabled for Enterprise, STX and ABE builds.
    [*]MicroMPX: GPS can now use system clock + 1PPS pulses, no need for NMEA anymore (needs to be tested thoroughly!)
    [*]MicroMPX: Add replacing RDS option
    [*]Block MicroMPX @ 44.1 on the Pi, doesn't work.
    [*]MicroMPX on Windows at 44.1 with block size 2048 and "Ignore low frequencies" set to 38400 fails. 2040 * 156800 / 192000 is 1666, not divisable by downsample factor 4. - Limited MicroMPX sample rates to only 38400, 44100, 48000.
    [*]Reduced web interface data further.
    [*]Added hiding of settings to login mechanism.
    [*]Made login mechanism work for native GUI


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:24 pm 
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Ah, new tray icon! Looks nice. Not so much a fan of how the unregistered exclamation mark is centered and has an extra black outline, but that's probably not permanent. The old tray icon looked and worked amazingly, so keeping that as a blueprint should work well for the new one (this is in regard to placing the exclamation mark to the left so it doesn't cover up most of the audible range of levels). Outside of that, it's a keeper.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:29 am 

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Latest version - Beta 10.01-001 (November 9 2022)
Note: At this point we still have builds with the old and the new GUI, the old GUI will soon be removed. For the new GUI, see the Stereo Tool 10 preview thread (viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32703).

The 32 bit ARM build system was unavailable so the MicroMPX changes (which are most of the changes in this version) are not yet available in 32 bit ARM. We'll run a build tonight.

Downloads
Changes/bugfixes
  • Login mechanism now enabled for Enterprise, STX and ABE builds.
  • MicroMPX: GPS can now use system clock + 1PPS pulses, no need for NMEA anymore (needs to be tested thoroughly!)
  • MicroMPX: Add replacing RDS option
  • Block MicroMPX @ 44.1 on the Pi, doesn't work.
  • MicroMPX on Windows at 44.1 with block size 2048 and "Ignore low frequencies" set to 38400 fails. 2040 * 156800 / 192000 is 1666, not divisable by downsample factor 4. - Limited MicroMPX sample rates to only 38400, 44100, 48000.
  • Reduced web interface data further.
  • Added hiding of settings to login mechanism.
  • Made login mechanism work for native GUI

TODO's
  • STXtreme SSD image! BUSY
  • Can we combine meterbars between pages? Would save 50 MB of memory just on loading already.
  • Add PPM to STXtreme
  • Run PPM tests in STXtreme
Please don’t remove the old GUI. The new is ugly, not intuitive and difficult to find the feats… is a real pain…

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:53 am 
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Please don’t remove the old GUI. The new is ugly, not intuitive and difficult to find the feats… is a real pain…
The old GUI does not scale at all, which means that it's getting nearly impossible to add new settings to it. Just look at how the multiband compressor has 9 pages or so with settings. If you have issues with the new GUI, please report them, and we'll try to do something with what you're reporting.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:21 am 
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Please don’t remove the old GUI. The new is ugly, not intuitive and difficult to find the feats… is a real pain…
The old GUI does not scale at all, which means that it's getting nearly impossible to add new settings to it. Just look at how the multiband compressor has 9 pages or so with settings. If you have issues with the new GUI, please report them, and we'll try to do something with what you're reporting.
Add even MORE settings? How about fix current settings/filters?

- Input2 practicaly useless as backup input. Should be literally removed. Also VLC that should be nice to have, but it's not working and also not planned.
- ND, never got dynamic detection on input.
- FM calibration still has bugged band-narrowed EQ and still not replaced by proper PEQ.
- New AGC bugged and wrongly builded especially window function.
- ITU filters mostly wrong and not even same one in AGC and MB.
- MB flat bands are bugged, do not use that!
- MB's output is wrong and not always same as 'hear' (limiters), output per band is fine tho.
- Still no proper crossover settings for every number of bands. Long time ago that should be altogether set and removed.
- Main clipper
- etc etc

But i guess some of those, or all of them, are not important, right, Like Final Limiter, not important to be in audio processor, literally i begged 2 years for fix, like now i'm asking for additional button in hard limit to be able to fully bypass FM, pre-limiter improvements, gate freeze detection after AGC option, possibility to use only gate freeze and not with gate slowdown. etc.. most of them are really simple stuff.
How about removing and simplifying some things, instead just adding new? We still have old and new (and sometimes old-old..), compressors, bass filters, and many more. For compatibility with presets? What presets? In best case half of them are anyway bugged, or bad.
And finally, new gui might be way better if at some point things got simplified and useless stuff removed. And naah, 'basic' modes are not that!
It's pointless to ask someone what's wrong with newgui, many things are. It firstly need to be simplyfied, people don't know to even use old one wich is still way faster for navigation, you cannot justify that i see RF spectrum analyzer, even if i dont use it and don't care about it, and in same time i don't see how my AGC is doing. Also those drop down/minimized menus, why th are they minimized when there IS reserved space for it vs current windows size.

I promised on many places, long time ago, that i will setup their input2 for backup, they all knew about that feature, now i am asking You all this and i need answer only about input2, will old gui have new I/O engine at all and/or any time soon?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:51 am 
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Add even MORE settings? How about fix current settings/filters?
I agree with this, especially because many people have questions about the current AGC and mostly use the legacy. No actual documentation.
Like, it's all over the place for presets in Stereo Tool to be using legacy AGC and then modern AGC.

I was thrilled when you added "Determine better default band frequencies for MB3, 5 and AGC (and ND)" to your TODO because Stereo Tool definitely needs better default in my opinion.

It's funny that I just switched my current preset from the modern AGC to the legacy AGC and it sounds so much better...

Edit: Though, I do think the new GUI could end up being really good. Thanks to Thimeo's peoples for taking feedback :D


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:40 am 

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@Bojcha, thank you for the list of issues, we'll look into them and fix them ASAP.

As for your issues with the new gui:
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new gui might be way better if at some point things got simplified and useless stuff removed. And naah, 'basic' modes are not that!
We cannot remove most "useless stuff" because if people are using it, their sound will change.
We can hide it if it isn't used.
Which we do.
If you haven't noticed, then we're probably doing a good job.

Could you specify which "stuff" you regard as "useless" so that we can take a look?

Furthermore, the new gui has done away with operating modes, so I don't know why you brought that up.

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It's pointless to ask someone what's wrong with newgui, many things are.
It's easy to say "me no like, it stoopid" but the only reply you're gonna get to that is "we do like, kthxbye".
Make a list of all those things that in your opinion are wrong, please.
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It firstly need to be simplyfied,
It is simplified. We hide the advanced stuff behind unfolders or in popup pages.

If there's stuff visible that you think should be hidden, or the other way around, please use this beta as an opportunity to let us know.
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People don't know to even use old one wich is still way faster for navigation, you cannot justify that i see RF spectrum analyzer, even if i dont use it and don't care about it, and in same time i don't see how my AGC is doing.
In what way does the old gui have faster navigation, other than that you're used to where settings are in the old gui and not (yet) used to where they are in the new one?

You'll only see the RF spectrum on the pages "FM Transmitter" and "Advanced clipper" (it's folded by default in the latter).
The reasoning behind that, as you so aptly describe, is that nobody should care about it when setting up anything else. Nobody wants to see the RF spectrum when setting up the AGC, you're completely right about that.
But the other way around: when you're setting up the FM transmitter, you shouldn't care about how your AGC is doing. And if you do care, just go to any processing dynamics page and it'll be right there.

We're planning to build an overview page where every scope is visible.
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Also those drop down/minimized menus, why th are they minimized when there IS reserved space for it vs current windows size.
They are minimized to reduce the number of settings on screen. Even if there's enough room to show them, we don't want to show them because in our opinion, that would make the interface less simple.

In the new gui, there's no such thing as reserved space. There either is space left or there isn't (in which case there's a scrollbar).
We don't want to compulsively fill up remaining space, as that is a major factor in perceived difficulty of use.


Furthermore.
While we truly appreciate all the valuable feedback you're giving and have given throughout the years (we really do), I have to make something abundantly clear:
We are only human. We make mistakes, we forget things. Our "not fixing current settings/filters" isn't with malicious intent. We don't "keep bugs" just to spite you or anyone. We don't willfully ignore you and you never have to "beg" for anything.
Our time is finite. Hans works his ass off. And he does so on many things that you, as a regular user (however advanced), will never see or know about.
For me, while I love working at Thimeo, I have felt a lot of stress because of comments that are set in the tone that many of yours are.
I have a great deal of patience, Hans even more so, but believe me when I say:

We are losing patience with the way that you are talking to us.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:39 pm 
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We're planning to build an overview page where every scope is visible.
How about maybe an overview page where just the active scopes are visible. (to save on realty)


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:19 pm 

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We're planning to build an overview page where every scope is visible.
How about maybe an overview page where just the active scopes are visible. (to save on realty)
Ah yeah, that's what I meant.

For further comments on (plans for) the new GUI, visit this thread


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:30 pm 

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I loaded the 64 bit vst 2 plugin into RadioBoss and enabled the web interface. When I type the IP address in the browser, I get the old web interface. Is that how it should be?


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