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 Post subject: [NO] RDS features
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:41 am 
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Hello,

Is it possible to set the exact country code in ST? I don't see any options for the ECC - Extended Country Code.

What I get is this:
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While I'd like to see something like this:
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If it's not possible now, I kindly ask for the ECC implementation in the future :)

Another one is text scrolling, but scrolling is possible as far as I remember?

Regards,
Slawomir


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 Post subject: Re: RDS features
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:12 pm 
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Hi Slawomir,

What's the ECC used for? Are there any radio's that do anything with it?

About scrolling: Use the < or << (2 characters per step) code. See the RDS help page.


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 Post subject: Re: RDS features
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:24 pm 
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http://www.rds.org.uk/2010/Glossary-Of-Terms.htm

ECC is the only way to properly distinguish numerous countries, including mine, from a whole bunch of others (as presented on previous screens). It's the only thing it does. I am not aware of any more extras that come with it ;)

/*******************\
* RDS COUNTRY CODES *
\*******************/

/*
* These codes are used when setting up a
* Programme Identifier. The format of the data
* is <country code>(bits 8-4)<extended country code>
* (bits 4-1). The values here come from the RDS standard.
*/

/* European Broadcasting Area */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AL 0x09E0 /* Albania */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_DZ 0x02E0 /* Algeria */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AD 0x03E0 /* Andorra */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AM 0x0AE4 /* Armenia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AT 0x0AE0 /* Austria */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AZ 0x0BE3 /* Azerbaijan */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PT 0x08E4 /* Azores (Portugal) */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BE 0x06E0 /* Belgium */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BY 0x0FE3 /* Belarus */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BA 0x0FE4 /* Bosnia Herzegovina */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BG 0x08E1 /* Bulgaria */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_ES 0x0EE2 /* Canaries (Spain) */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_HR 0x0CE3 /* Croatia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CY 0x02E1 /* Cyprus */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CZ 0x02E2 /* Czech Republic */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_DK 0x09E1 /* Denmark */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_EG 0x0FE0 /* Egypt */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_EE 0x02E4 /* Estonia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_DK 0x09E1 /* Faroe (Denmark) */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_FI 0x06E1 /* Finland */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_FR 0x0FE1 /* France */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GE 0x0CE4 /* Georgia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_DE_1 0x0DE0 /* Germany (East) */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_DE_2 0x01E0 /* Germany (West) */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GI 0x0AE1 /* Gibraltar (United Kingdom) */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GR 0x01E1 /* Greece */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_HU 0x0BE0 /* Hungary */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_IS 0x0AE2 /* Iceland */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_IQ 0x0BE1 /* Iraq */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_IE 0x02E3 /* Ireland */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_IL 0x04E0 /* Israel */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_IT 0x05E0 /* Italy */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_JO 0x05E1 /* Jordan */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_LV 0x09E3 /* Latvia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_LB 0x0AE3 /* Lebanon */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_LY 0x0DE1 /* Libya */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_LI 0x09E2 /* Liechtenstein */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_LT 0x0CE2 /* Lithuania */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_LU 0x07E1 /* Luxembourg */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MK 0x04E3 /* Macedonia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PT 0x08E4 /* Madeira (Portugal) */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MT 0x0CE0 /* Malta */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MD 0x01E4 /* Moldova */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MC 0x0BE2 /* Monaco */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_ME 0x01E3 /* Montenegro */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MA 0x01E2 /* Morocco */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_NL 0x08E3 /* Netherlands */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_NO 0x0FE2 /* Norway */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PS 0x08E0 /* Palestine */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PL 0x03E2 /* Poland */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PT 0x08E4 /* Portugal */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_RO 0x0EE1 /* Romania */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_RU 0x07E0 /* Russian Federation */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SM 0x03E1 /* San Marino */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_RS 0x0DE2 /* Serbia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SK 0x05E2 /* Slovakia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SI 0x09E4 /* Slovenia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_ES 0x0EE2 /* Spain */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SE 0x0EE3 /* Sweden */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CH 0x04E1 /* Switzerland */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SY 0x06E2 /* Syrian Arab Republic */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_TN 0x07E2 /* Tunisia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_TR 0x03E3 /* Turkey */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_UA 0x06E4 /* Ukraine */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GB 0x0CE1 /* United Kingdom */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VA 0x04E2 /* Vatican City State */
/* African Broadcasting Area */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AO 0x06D0 /* Angola */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BI 0x09D1 /* Burundi */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BJ 0x0ED0 /* Benin */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BF 0x0BD0 /* Burkina Faso */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BW 0x0BD1 /* Botswana */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CM 0x01D0 /* Cameroon */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CV 0x06D1 /* Cape Verde */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CF 0x02D0 /* Central African Republic */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_TD 0x09D2 /* Chad */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_KM 0x0CD1 /* Comoros */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CD 0x0BD2 /* Democratic Republic of Congo */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CG 0x0CD0 /* Congo */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CI 0x0CD2 /* Cote d'Ivoire */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_DJ 0x03D0 /* Djibouti */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GQ 0x07D0 /* Equatorial Guinea */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_ER 0x0FD2 /* Eritrea */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_ET 0x0ED1 /* Ethiopia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GA 0x08D0 /* Gabon */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GM 0x08D1 /* Gambia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GH 0x03D1 /* Ghana */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GW 0x0AD2 /* Guinea-Bissau */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GQ 0x07D0 /* Equatorial Guinea */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GN 0x09D0 /* Republic of Guinea */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_KE 0x06D2 /* Kenya */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_LR 0x02D1 /* Liberia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_LS 0x06D3 /* Lesotho */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MU 0x0AD3 /* Mauritius */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MG 0x04D0 /* Madagascar */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MW 0x0FD0 /* Malawi */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_ML 0x05D0 /* Mali */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MR 0x04D1 /* Mauritania */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MZ 0x03D2 /* Mozambique */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_NA 0x01D1 /* Namibia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_NE 0x08D2 /* Niger */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_NG 0x0FD1 /* Nigeria */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_RW 0x05D3 /* Rwanda */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_ST 0x05D1 /* Sao Tome & Principe */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SC 0x08D3 /* Seychelles */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SN 0x07D1 /* Senegal */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SL 0x01D2 /* Sierra Leone */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SO 0x07D2 /* Somalia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_ZA 0x0AD0 /* South Africa */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SD 0x0CD3 /* Sudan */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SZ 0x05D2 /* Swaziland */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_TG 0x0DD0 /* Togo */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_TZ 0x0DD1 /* Tanzania */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_UG 0x04D2 /* Uganda */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_EH 0x03D3 /* Western Sahara */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_ZM 0x0ED2 /* Zambia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_ZW 0x02D2 /* Zimbabwe */
/* ITU Region 2 */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AI 0x01A2 /* Anguilla */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AG 0x02A2 /* Antigua and Barbuda */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AR 0x0AA2 /* Argentina */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AW 0x03A4 /* Aruba */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BS 0x0FA2 /* Bahamas */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BB 0x05A2 /* Barbados */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BZ 0x06A2 /* Belize */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BM 0x0CA2 /* Bermuda */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BO 0x01A3 /* Bolivia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BR 0x0BA2 /* Brazil */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CA_B 0x0BA1 /* Canada */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CA_C 0x0CA1
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CA_D 0x0DA1
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CA_E 0x0EA1
#define RDS_COUNTRY_KY 0x07A2 /* Cayman Islands */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CL 0x0CA3 /* Chile */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CO 0x02A3 /* Colombia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CR 0x08A2 /* Costa Rica */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CU 0x09A2 /* Cuba */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_DM 0x0AA3 /* Dominica */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_DO 0x0BA3 /* Dominican Republic */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_EC 0x03A2 /* Ecuador */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SV 0x0CA4 /* El Salvador */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_FK 0x04A2 /* Falkland Islands */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GF 0x05A3 /* French Guiana */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GL 0x0FA1 /* Greenland */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GD 0x0DA3 /* Grenada */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GP 0x0EA2 /* Guadeloupe */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GT 0x01A4 /* Guatemala */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_GY 0x0FA3 /* Guyana */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_HT 0x0DA4 /* Haiti */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_HN 0x02A4 /* Honduras */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_JM 0x03A3 /* Jamaica */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MQ 0x04A3 /* Martinique */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MX_B 0x0BA5 /* Mexico */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MX_D 0x0DA5
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MX_E 0x0EA5
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MX_F 0x0FA5
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MS 0x05A4 /* Montserrat */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AN 0x0DA2 /* Netherlands Antilles */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_NI 0x07A3 /* Nicaragua */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PA 0x09A3 /* Panama */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PY 0x06A3 /* Paraguay */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PE 0x07A4 /* Peru */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_1 0x01A0 /* Puerto Rico */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_2 0x02A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_3 0x03A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_4 0x04A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_5 0x05A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_6 0x06A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_7 0x07A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_8 0x08A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_9 0x09A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_A 0x0AA0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_B 0x0BA0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_D 0x0DA0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PR_E 0x0EA0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_KN 0x0AA4 /* Saint Kitts */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_LC 0x0BA4 /* Saint Lucia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PM 0x0FA6 /* St Pierre and Miquelon */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VC 0x0CA5 /* Saint Vincent */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SR 0x08A4 /* Suriname */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_TT 0x06A4 /* Trinidad and Tobago */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_TC 0x0EA3 /* Turks and Caicos Islands */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_1 0x01A0 /* United States of America */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_2 0x02A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_3 0x03A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_4 0x04A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_5 0x05A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_6 0x06A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_7 0x07A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_8 0x08A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_9 0x09A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_A 0x0AA0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_B 0x0BA0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_D 0x0DA0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_US_E 0x0EA0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_UY 0x09A4 /* Uruguay */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VE 0x0EA4 /* Venezuela */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VG 0x0FA5 /* Virgin Islands [British] */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_1 0x01A0 /* Virgin Islands [USA] */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_2 0x02A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_3 0x03A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_4 0x04A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_5 0x05A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_6 0x06A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_7 0x07A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_8 0x08A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_9 0x09A0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_A 0x0AA0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_B 0x0BA0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_D 0x0DA0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VI_E 0x0EA0
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AF 0x0AF0 /* Afghanistan */
/* ITU Region 3*/
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AU_1 0x01F0 /* Australia Capital Territory */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AU_2 0x02F0 /* New South Wales */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AU_3 0x03F0 /* Victoria */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AU_4 0x04F0 /* Queensland */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AU_5 0x05F0 /* South Australia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AU_6 0x06F0 /* Western Australia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AU_7 0x07F0 /* Tasmania */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AU_8 0x08F0 /* Northern Territory */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BD 0x03F1 /* Bangladesh */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BH 0x0EF0 /* Bahrain */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BN 0x0BF1 /* Brunei Darussalam */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_BT 0x02F1 /* Bhutan */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_KH 0x03F2 /* Cambodia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_CN 0x0CF0 /* China */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_FJ 0x05F1 /* Fiji */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_HK 0x0FF1 /* Hong Kong */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_IN 0x05F2 /* India */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_ID 0x0CF2 /* Indonesia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_IR 0x08F1 /* Iran */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_JP 0x09F2 /* Japan */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_KZ 0x0DE3 /* Kazakhstan */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_KI 0x01F1 /* Kiribati */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_KR 0x0EF1 /* Korea [South] */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_KP 0x0DF0 /* Korea [North] */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_KW 0x01F2 /* Kuwait */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_KG 0x03E4 /* Kyrghyzstan */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_LA 0x01F3 /* Laos */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MO 0x06F2 /* Macao */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MY 0x0FF0 /* Malaysia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MV 0x0BF2 /* Maldives */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_FM 0x0EF3 /* Micronesia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MN 0x0FF3 /* Mongolia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_MM 0x0BF0 /* Myanmar [Burma] */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_NP 0x0EF2 /* Nepal */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_NR 0x07F1 /* Nauru */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_NZ 0x09F1 /* New Zealand */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_OM 0x06F1 /* Oman */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PK 0x04F1 /* Pakistan */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PH 0x08F2 /* Philippines */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_PG 0x09F3 /* Papua New Guinea */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_QA 0x02F2 /* Qatar */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SA 0x09F0 /* Saudi Arabia */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SB 0x0AF1 /* Soloman Islands */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_WS 0x04F2 /* Samoa */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_SG 0x0AF2 /* Singapore */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_LK 0x0CF1 /* Sri Lanka */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_TW 0x0DF1 /* Taiwan */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_TJ 0x05E3 /* Tajikistan */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_TH 0x02F3 /* Thailand */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_TO 0x03F3 /* Tonga */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_TM 0x0EE4 /* Turkmenistan */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_AE 0x0DF2 /* UAE */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_UZ 0x0BE4 /* Uzbekistan */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VN 0x07F2 /* Vietnam */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_VU 0x0FF2 /* Vanuatu */
#define RDS_COUNTRY_YE 0x0BF3 /* Yemen */

Thanks for the scrolling tip! :)


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 Post subject: Re: RDS features
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:56 pm 
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Quote:
http://www.rds.org.uk/2010/Glossary-Of-Terms.htm

ECC is the only way to properly distinguish numerous countries, including mine, from a whole bunch of others (as presented on previous screens). It's the only thing it does. I am not aware of any more extras that come with it ;)
The point is, if the only way to see this is if you're looking with an RDS analyzer, it doesn't make much sense. So my question is, what effect this has on a normal radio... (There are so many things that I *can* add to the RDS encoder, and they all take time, so I want to make sure that they are useful first).


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 Post subject: Re: RDS features
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:03 pm 
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Since it's in the standard, I thought someone actually might use it :) Example from the Big Boys in the UK:

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So yes - it is in use.


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 Post subject: Re: RDS features
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:19 pm 
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Lol, they are not even using RT+! Which to my knowledge is far more useful ;)

The full RDS spec is 132 pages, if I want to support all of that I need to stop the rest of ST development for a while... So again, I need to know that it's used for anything other than showing it in an analyser.


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 Post subject: Re: RDS features
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:24 pm 
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Ok I think I found what it's used for. It seems to be used mainly for international paging (is that still in use anywhere???). Which I don't support, so adding ECC without adding paging doesn't seem to make much sense.


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 Post subject: Re: RDS features
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:07 pm 
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Understood, if you say so ;) Sure thing - first things first

PS - to the best of my knowledge none of the BBC (at least from what I've seen) uses RT+ :P In fact - I've never seen it used.


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 Post subject: Re: RDS features
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:24 pm 
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Quote:
Understood, if you say so ;) Sure thing - first things first

PS - to the best of my knowledge none of the BBC (at least from what I've seen) uses RT+ :P In fact - I've never seen it used.
Just turn it on and be the first then :) - it's there since version 7.70!


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 Post subject: Re: RDS features
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 9:11 pm 
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RT+ works,

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but you really should update help with this one :P:

How to use RT+ in RadioText
Put \+xx before and \- after an item
where xx is an RT+ type number (00-63).

Instead of a number you can also use the codes
WW or UR for an URL (type 29)
AR for Artist (type 04)
TI for Title (type 01)

So for example:
Now playing \+ArMadonna\- - \+TiLike a Virgin\-

You can use at most 2 codes. For now, codes are transmitted for ALL the texts, so this only works properly if you have a static RT text. I might change that later.


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