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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:02 am 
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Breakaway RTA

I think i can't live without it anymore.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:47 am 
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I know what you mean Michi, but I don't see it all the time. Only on songs with loud & low basses.

Bojcha - Your link was awesome, I've been looking for something like this since last year!

I starred at the BA scope and the ST scope, bad idea.
BA's scope looks like its moving in and out.
Even if its just the waves getting bigger and smaller due to the volume of what I'm listening to. (the Cleveland show)

The ST scope looks sharper and more appealing to me. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:04 am 
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Breakaway RTA
Well-known !
And it is free.
So definetly a must have.
The original intention behind RTA was to create a tool to help to calibrate your speakers.
But I use two intances of it.
One instance pre Breakaway Live (and the hosted Stereo Tool DSP).
And a second instance post.
It is not possible to connect the standard soundcard output (used as standard in Breakaway Live) to RTA.
My trick is:
Instead of Breakaway Pipeline 1 as input in Breakaway Live (and system device) I use Pipeline 2.
And as output in Breakaway Live I use Pipeline 1 !
Then I use Pipeline 1 as input in Breakaway Audio Enhancer (I bought this before I knew Stereo Tool) and my soundcard as output there.
The Breakaway Audio Enhancer only accepts Pipeline 1 as input.

This way I can connect my RTA(pre) instance with Pipeline 2 as input and the RTA(post) instance with Pipeline 1 as input. :D

Of course, this adds extra latency, but I can live with it (even in conjunction with DVB-TV) !


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:15 am 
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The ST scope looks sharper and more appealing to me. :)
Then I guess you are that type of action guy that can ride on the rollercoaster from morning till evening without any medical problems.
Congratulations !

Yes, it looks sharper (more details), but this scrolling left<->right is too much for my frail health !


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:23 am 
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@ Hans

And here is another thing that might help to figure out how to create a better oscilloscope:
Try the free SignalAnalyzer VST plugin from rs-met.com
http://www.rs-met.com/freebies.html

It has two basic modes:
Signal (oscilloscope type)
and
Spectrum (frequencies)

In signal mode (sync: free running) and horizontal display set to 5 ms it behaves almost in the same way as Stereo Tool's oscilloscope.
If you then enable sync: lowpass zeros it already looks more stable.

Though I personally would prefer a slow waveform drawing instead of an oscilloscope.
Something like we see when we set the rs-met SignalAnalyzer's horizontal display to 1.5 seconds (and sync: free running !).
Drawing waveforms give more visual information than every traditional oscilloscope or meter can do.

When I use instead of the DSP an older (one of the betas <10, that work without crashing the Acon chainer) Stereo Tool VST version and sandwiching this with one instance of SignalAnalyzer pre and another instance post Stereo Tool VST (using display:signal, sync: free running and 1.5 seconds) these waveforms (Stereo Tool's input versus output) are very impressive.
It gives much better visual control about the whole processing.
(Ah, I had forgotton, that I have another free wrapper. This is an odd VST plugin that can host Winamp DSPs. So I will try this later to host the latest Stereo Tool Beta DSP version with this wrapper to integrate Stereo Tool in the Acon VST chain.).

So IMO the main problem with Stereo Tool's oscilloscope is: it is too fast !
I guess that the oscilloscope window in Stereo Tool's GUI shows more or less 5 ms ?
So first thing I would try, is to slow it down to 1500 ms range and see what will happen.

Or maybe another hidden setting for expert users inside .sts ? 8-)
OscilloscopeDisplayTimeRange=nnnn ms

:?:

EDIT
There were some mistakes.
I wrote micro seconds, but milliseconds (ms) were meant.
Sorry !
Maybe I was a little bit hypnotized by Stereo Tool's oscilloscope (too fast for my eyes and my brain). :oops: :shock:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:56 am 
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Yes, it looks sharper (more details), but this scrolling left<->right is too much for my frail health !
nah, I think hans should def. change that behavior. I notice it at times, doesn't make me sick but keeps me distracted enough to not do homework. >.>
The BA scope looks too blurry to me, it has a similar fade as ST but I think it creates too many instances of the blur making it look like a green mush fading into the background.

I would love to go DIFFERENT roller coasters all day long! Better than this shitty monday.

edit: I looked at it again this morning, and it moves like a wave to everything, I thought it was only during loud bass parts.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:38 am 
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Maybe I was a little bit hypnotized by Stereo Tool's oscilloscope (too fast for my eyes and my brain). :oops: :shock:

Lolllll you should never ever try hallucinogens then! xD

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